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<jamesn> regrets Detlev
<jamesn> scribe:adam_solomon
<jamesn> F63: Failure of Success Criterion 2.4.4 due to providing link context only in content that is not related to the link
<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130628ttf/results#xlabel
making edit to expected results
ua notes should be left in the meantime
loretta: while in discussion helpful to have testing data , for publishing maybe reduce them
james: ua notes more appropriate for sufficient technique as opposed to failure
loretta: if we have a technique for aria-label or labelledby then the notes should be moved there
james: should we now remove the
motes from the failure? or write "see the related ua notes from
...
... changed accordingly
re: paul's comment about table header context
loretta: test for failure relying
on sufficient technique text (not so good)
... check #1 isn't so great
<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/F63
james: current f63 says the same in check #1
loretta: nevertheless not good language
jon: suggest using aria property instead of header for context
loretta: still need a testable procedure
paul: what ever is mentioned in the sufficient technique can then be tested for in the failure
james: so table header option should be added to f63 in the test
paul: we would then have to update failure every time technique changes
loretta: more general failure test advisable
james: step #2 can cover table header option, so we can leave step #1 alone
paul: step 1 should cover all non-aria, while step 2 covers aria
james: should avoid editing steps unless absolutely necessary
resolution: editing step 1 to add table headers
james: aria-labelledby - should be in the test
paul: ditto
james: add it to the list? or make the test generic?
jon: if role is presentation does it need alt?
james adding comment re: aria-labelledby, role=presentation, aria-hidden, etc.
james: we can add general wording
to (title) that the scope is content (not hidden or
presentation)
... would be relevant about all failures
... aria-hidden generally used for elements not visible on the
page
jon: use case could be hiding inaccessible version of page
paul: aria-hidden doesn't always work
james: for focusable stuff it would be overridden
james; what about raising this issue on a larger level (not just for this failure)
<Loretta> scribe: Loretta
<jamesn> ACTION: james to raise to WCAG issue of hidden content and failure techniques [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/07/11-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]
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Resolution: leave open to handle role-presentation, accessible naming mechanisms (including aria-labelledby)
Title changed per Loretta's comment.
Add ARIA role technique to Related Techniques.
Resolution: send to WG for review.
People are encouraged to complete more techniques.
<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA#Ready_for_WG_Review
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