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<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2013/ATAG2ImplementationReport.html
<Jan> Scribe: AlastairC
<Jan> JS: No news due to AC meeting
Jeanne: No new news, but many people were in Tokyo last week, so that's expected.
<Jan> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20130610/results
<Jan> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20130610/results#xq10
<Jan> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20130523/results#xq10
<Jan> B.4.1.2 Option to Reactivate Features: The authoring tool does not include the option to permanently turn off its accessible content support features. (Level A
<Jan> Or
<Jan> B.4.1.2 Option to Reactivate Features: The authoring tool does not include the option to turn off its accessible content support features or features which have been turned off can be restored at all times. (Level A
Jan: Not thrilled about the 'restored', doesn't match terms elsewhere.
<Jan> Jan's proposal from email of 13 June B.4.1.2 Option to Reactivate Features: The authoring tool does not include the option to turn off its accessible content support features or those features can be turned back on. (Level A)
Greg: I liked the term 'restored', but Jan's version is fine.
<Jan> B.4.1.2 Option to Reactivate Features: The authoring tool does not include the option to turn off its accessible content support features or features which have been turned off can be restored at all times.
AL: Turn on/off makes sense
<Jan> B.4.1.2 Option to Reactivate Features: The authoring tool does not include the option to turn off its accessible content support features or features which have been turned off can be turned back on.
Greg: That's acceptable to me.
<Jan> AC: OK
<Jan> TB: OK
<Jan> Resolution: Change B.4.1.2 to "B.4.1.2 Option to Reactivate Features: The authoring tool does not include the option to turn off its accessible content support features or features which have been turned off can be turned back on. "
<Jan> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20130610/results#xq11
jeanne: Trying to save the
original intent of B 2.2.4, originally for the authoring tool
all the templates would be accessible. Found a lot of problems
with the language.
... Current language discussed in meeting last week, unlikely
an authoring tool that didn't provide accessible template would
then provide a warning of that.
... "All templates meet the WCAG 2.0 success criteria at A and
AA that can be applied to each template before the template
receives authored content."
... Template should meet at level A and AA. Can't say that a
template meets
WCAG
Jan: Have wording for this in section A
<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/ATAG20/#def-Accessible-Template
AC: Difficult to find implementation, for us easier to fix the templates
AL: For tools with big eco system, difficult to setup such a system.
<Jan> AC: In defacto...content author picks templates...
<Jan> AC: When a website is setup.... defacto provides some accessible templates...
<Jan> JR: So it sounds like defacto would be an implementation?
AC: Initial setup is by developers, checked at that stage, content authors only have access to accessible templates.
<Jan> B.2.4.1 Accessible Template Options (WCAG): If the authoring tool provides templates, then there are accessible template (WCAG) options for a range of template uses. (Level A to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A success criteria; Level AA to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A and AA success criteria; Level AAA to meet all WCAG 2.0 success criteria)
<Jan> B.2.4.2 Identify Template Accessibility (Minimum): If the authoring tool includes a template selection mechanism and provides any non-accessible template (WCAG) options, then the templates are provided such that the template selection mechanism can display distinctions between the accessible and non-accessible options. (Level AA)
<Jan> B.2.4.3 Author-Created Templates: If the authoring tool includes a template selection mechanism and allows authors to create new non-accessible templates (WCAG), then authors can enable the template selection mechanism to display distinctions between accessible and non-accessible templates that they create. (Level AA)
<Jan> AC: Defacto templates are generally tested to AA
AC: exmaple interface from defacto - choosing template http://alastairc.ac/images/examples/defacto-choose-template.png
Jan: Given that this is AAA (not mainstream tools?) is there an issue with including it?
<Jan> Draft B.2.4.4 Accessible Template Options (Enhanced): If the authoring tool provides templates, then all of the templates are accessible templates at WCAG 2.0 Level AA.
jeanne: Not sure we can say that, in terms of WCAG AA?
<jeanne> all the templates meet the WCAG 2.0 level A and level AA success criteria
<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/ATAG20/#def-Accessible-Web-Content
<Jan> Draft B.2.4.4 Accessible Template Options (Enhanced): If the authoring tool provides templates, then all of the templates are accessible templates to WCAG 2.0 Level AA.
Jan: I think it's ok, due to definition of template. We don't use the word 'conform'.
<Jan> Draft B.2.4.4 Accessible Template Options (Enhanced): If the authoring tool provides templates, then all of the templates are accessible templates to WCAG 2.0 Level AA. (Level AAA)
AC: ok
jeanne: yes, this would be removed if we can't find examples
<Jan> JR: And this will go on the at risk list to be removed
AL: ok
<Jan> Resolution: All agree to reword B.2.4.4 as follows B.2.4.4 Accessible Template Options (Enhanced): If the authoring tool provides templates, then all of the templates are accessible templates to WCAG 2.0 Level AA. (Level AAA) AND this SC will be placed on the at-risk list for REMOVAL (not rewording) if implementations cannot be found
<Jan> A.3.6.4 Multiple Sets: If the authoring tool includes display and/or control settings, then the authoring tool provides the option of saving and reloading multiple configurations of settings.
Jan: Had Dreamweaver as an implementation, but it's just partial. The display settings let you change default font size etc. Those are not something you have multiple sets for.
No other implementations, should we let this go?
<Jan> AC: For browser-based tools ...best to rely on browser
AC: Browser based ones we rely on the browser settings, should we apply the same to the system?
<Jan> JS: I would prefer it in the platform
AC: i.e. things like Dreamweaver allow system-level user settings to work in the interface.
<Jan> JR: I will go ahead and propose removing A.3.6.4 Multiple Sets
<Jan> B.2.5.2 Pre-Authored Content Accessibility Status: If the authoring tool provides a repository of pre-authored content, then each of the content objects has a recorded accessibility status. (Level AAA)
Jan: similar issue to what we were talking about with the tempaltes.
<Jan> B.2.5.1 Pre-Authored Content Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a selection mechanism for pre-authored content other than templates (e.g., clip art gallery, widget repository, design themes), then both of the following are true: (Level AA)
<Jan> (a) Indicate: The selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of the pre-authored content (if known); and
<Jan> (b) Prominence: Any accessible (WCAG) options are at least as prominent as other pre-authored content options.
Jan: I couldn't find anything like this, e.g. clip art gallery with Word. You can search by text & captions. Oddly, when inserted they add URI rather than caption. But that's still not indicating the accessibility.
AC: we run under the assumption that included templates (pre-authored things) are accessible, rather than saving whether it is or not.
Jan: We could fix the gating on that, but doesn't help for finding implementation. Anyone know of any?
jeanne: What about video libraries? E.g. ones with captions.
Jan: Has to be from developer of authoring tool though
<Jan> Meeting as usual on June 24
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