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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
13 Jun 2013

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Attendees

Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, Cynthia_Shelly
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Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
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Contents


<trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013

<scribe> scribenick: clown

<scribe> Chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer

Last call for UAIG

CS: can we go to last call by next week?
... picking a realistic date and stickly with it.
... do either of you think next week is feasible

DB: not really

JS: no, because I can't make all the edits that we know about by then.

CS: there is a bunch of work items, and then a number of issues and actions.
... we can go thru them and say "no" (as the default action).

JS: I have been bringing up some of the issues at the mon calls, and it's slow going to get consenus on them, one way or another.

CS: the default answer is "no".

JS: If the default is no, then the due date and/or version needs to change.
... either they are 1.1 or 2.0 issues and are due at some later date.

CS: we could switch them to 1.1 or 2.0, and say can you live with that?

JS: a danger is the public gets to comment on last call.
... are these issues going to come back from the public comments?

CS: they might, but we could still say this is for the next version.

JS: David, here is the URL to outstanding issues and actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
... what do you think about Cynthia's suggestion.

DB: we could probably do that for a lot of them, but not sure about all of them.

bug 19772.

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772

JS: Cynthia, can we close this?

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table

JS: for UIA express, I put back: "If http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-expandedhttp://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-expanded is not "true", expose STATE_SYSTEM_COLLAPSED"

CS: let me close the bug, or you could.

JS: closing… nope. can't find my password.

CS: I'll close it. "resolved/fixed".

ACTION-1200

action-1200?

<trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-06-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200

CS: I might have to work on it on the weekend.

JS: that's fine.
... If it helps, I can make the table, if you can give me the contents.

Last call for UAIG.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.html

JS: David, you have some actions/issues to deal with before last call.
... we don't have to do them now, but could you look at them and get back to me by email?

DB: I'll put them in my to-do list.

JS: So, let's look at the overall issue/action list.

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10

issue-486?

<trackbot> ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486

JS: the only thing that is outstanding, I think, is the mapping conflict between html5 native semantics and aria semantics.

CS: the text was a negotiated selttelement.
... I don't think we should remove it.
... but see what Michael says.

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_conflicts

CS: If Michael thinks we can safely remove it, then we can do that. Or make and run the tests.

JS: I think Michael wants to make the tests.

DB: I think we sort of have to do more tests.

issue-551?

<trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551

CS: michael action item.

JS: doesn't change the UAIG

CS: It might. we might have to merge the UIA and UIA express column.
... we need to wait on the director's response here.
... and, that would not happen until July, then.

issue-552?

<trackbot> ISSUE-552 -- UAIG spec. is inaccurate wrt selection events pertaining to aria-selected being applied (MSAA/IA2) -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552

JS: for more information, the issue points to this email: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/0083.html

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection

JS: the add and remove events happen in a multiselectable scenario, according to the UAIG.
... Rich references this test case: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=672
... here is the test file: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/selected-state/672.html
... it's a list box with one option in it.
... aria-multiselectable (or whatever it's called) is not specified.

DB: I wonder what's default for a list box?

JS: default for aria-multislectable is false.

DB: Looks like the test case needs mutli-selectable set.

JS: so all the test file needs it an aria-multiselectable="true" on the listbox container.
... looks like you can close your action 1220.

DB: okay, I can close it.

issue-559?

<trackbot> ISSUE-559 -- Missing member of relationships -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559

JS: the text Rich is talking about is near here: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_visibility

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection

DB: I think we can add MSAA+IA2 to that bullted list.

JS: okay, I'll take care of it somewho.

issue-550?

<trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- closed

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550

issue-560?

<trackbot> ISSUE-560 -- MSAA/IA2 spec. inconsistent with implementation in FF on aria-activedescendant -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560

CS: this whole focus and ad thing, we had lots of discussion on.
... we should not re-open. Let's move this to 2.0.

Resolved: change issue-560 product to Aria 2.0

JS: noting that the test case is currently failing.

CS: I think the problem is that the negotiated solution is not consistent with the implementation in either FF nor IE.
... there is a test case is failing. What do we do?

DB: I think we ended up softening the wording.

CS: is there any way we can soften the test case.

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190

JS: quoting the expected result: Accessible with id='test' has role ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUPING, AND

Does not expose STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, AND

Accessible with id='obj1' exposes STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE and STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED.

DB: that makes sense to me for FF

JS: here the test file: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/roles-properties-supported/roles-properties-supported-group-aria-activedescendant-obj1.html

CS: it passes in IE.
... David, it looks like you have a bug.
... it has a pass for FF in the test report.

<cyns> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=1

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190

<davidb> passes in IE and FF

JS: looks like Rich passed it.
... making note in issue to ask rich about it.
... it's listed as aria 2.0. Why is ther a 1.0 test case then?

CS: next meeting is Jul 11
... do you think we can get through the rest on the next meeting?
... could we do a 2 hour meeting next time?

DB: I can't make the 11th.
... I could have a meeting w/ Joseph betfore then, while you are on vacation.

JS: let's meet next at noon EDT/9am PDT for an hour on Jul 2nd.

Summary of Action Items

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