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<trackbot> Date: 30 May 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
previous: http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-aapi-minutes.html
action-1200?
<trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-05-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
CS: Haven't done it, but on my to-do list.
JS: let's change the due date.
CS: let's set it to two weeks from now.
issue-550?
<trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- closed
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
JS: I have closed this one.
action-1221?
<trackbot> ACTION-1221 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to for ISSUE-559, remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
JS: I have discussed with
David.
... the best approach, we think, is to remove text from the
AT-SPI section.
... I will do that soon.
ACTION-1222?
<trackbot> ACTION-1222 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-583, and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
JS: David action, but he is not here.
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
<scribe> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0009.html
issue-486?
<trackbot> ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
JS: text about mapping conflicts wrt html5 with some MUST statements. These may have already been tested.
CS: Yes, we are testing in modern
browsers.
... not sure this is an issue any more.
JS: the tabindex information is now part of html5, so it may not even need to be there.
CS: may be problematic to remove now.
action-1136?
<trackbot> ACTION-1136 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to ask the PFWG on the Mon call, what issue-486 is all about. -- due 2012-12-20 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1136
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0009.html
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_nd_te
CS: can you check with Steve
Faulkner?
... what is the status of the html5 section 4.8.1.1?
... he had written a separate document, and there is an issue
if it belongs in the HTML5 spec, a separate document, owned by
wcag, or something else.
JS: are you referring to the editorial note?
CS: yes, but also the box above since it references the section in the HTML5 spec (4.8.1.1) that the editorial note is talking about.
action-1142?
<trackbot> ACTION-1142 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to remove reference to HTML5 @alt section in the UAIG name calculation section. -- due 2013-02-01 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1142
issue-551?
<trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
CS: I think this is actually
closed in that Michael asked Judy.
... can you ask him on Mon?
JS: yes.
action-1152?
<trackbot> ACTION-1152 -- Cynthia Shelly to investigate whether a pure UIA implementation does not have a description field -- due 2013-01-28 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152
JS: that one is closedd.
issue-550?
<trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- closed
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
JS: whoops, that should be 560
issue-560?
<trackbot> ISSUE-560 -- MSAA/IA2 spec. inconsistent with implementation in FF on aria-activedescendant -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
JS: that's a David issue, and he's not here.
JS next is another FF question, skip it (issue-563).
issue-564?
<trackbot> ISSUE-564 -- ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT is not used role="heading" -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/564
CS: this is a case where FF is putting in strings where they should only put in enumerated types.
JS: yes, david has another
related issue, and this is going away.
... it's action-1175
action-1175?
<trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due 2013-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
JS: linking action 1175 to the issue to keep track of the work.
issue-566?
<trackbot> ISSUE-566 -- Inconsistency between Spec's required states/properties for certain roles and UAIG's error handling of those roles/states/properties -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/566
JS: your table for action-1200
will fix this.
... and that action already associated with the issue.
... there is an action on James Craig to change the spec for
some of these,
CS: Check with him about that on the mon call.
JS: yes, good idea.
issue-570?
<trackbot> ISSUE-570 -- Investigate if this UAIG requirement is incompatible with AX API. #keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant "Do not expose the focused state in the accessibility API for any element when it has DOM focus and also has aria-activedescendant which points to a va -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/570
JS: looks like an AXApi issue.
CS: talk to James about this on
Mon.
... our position is to close this. Do not want to open this can
of worms again.
... postpone to aria 2.0, perhaps.
issue-582?
<trackbot> ISSUE-582 -- We don't have an explicit mapping, for each platform, for the focusable state in the UAIG -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/582
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
JS: James Craig suggested this is what rich was looking for.
CS: works for me.
JS: so, I'll point this out on Mon to, and see if we can close it.
Issue-583?
<trackbot> ISSUE-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an element having aria-activedescendant should not all be focusable -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
JS: David had a suggestion — his action-1222
action-1222?
<trackbot> ACTION-1222 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-583, and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
CS: I think we should postpone this.
JS: Aria 1.1 or 2.0?
CS: 2.0. I could accept 1.1., but
I think we should push this out to 2.0 since how OSes handle
focus is revved much slower.
... the core issue is that all issue should be postponed to 2.0
unless there is a real good reason to change things at this
stage.
... the bar is very high now.
issue-584?
<trackbot> ISSUE-584 -- Firefox has introduce a role mapping of grouping for rowgroup (should this be consistent across platforms) -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/584
CS: we shouldn't make the change, since this is testing implementabiity, and I think these tests have passed in older browsers.
JS: notes that this doesn't affect the UIA implementations. Nor, probably, the Ax API implementation.
CS: so, I vote for aria 1.1.
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