<pauljadam> I need to reconnect to the call

<Loretta> hello?

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130502tfaria2/results#xalertdia

ok

<Loretta> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to failing to mark up decorative images in HTML in a way that allows assitive technology to ignore them

adam just called in

<jongund> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative images and applets to be ignored by assistive technology

<jongund> Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative markup (i.e. images and applets) to be ignored by assistive technology

<jongund> Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative content (i.e. images and applets) to be ignored by assistive technology

<jongund> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative content (e.g. decorative images and applets) to be ignored by assistive technology

<jongund> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 to markup decorative content (e.g. decorative images and applets) in a way to be ignored by assistive technology

adam: needs "in a way" to be in title

james: only applies to html (not pdf)

<jamesn> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to not marking up decorative images in HTML in a way that allows assitive technology to ignore them

<pauljadam> Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to omitting role=presentation or alt="" on purely decorative images or applets in HTML

james: would have to retitle if tech changes
... aria-hidden?

<pauljadam> Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to omitting a presentation attribute on purely decorative images or applets in HTML

james: better to have more generic title (wothout mentioning specific markup)

adam: in any event if aria-hidden passes then test needs to be changed

<jamesn> F38: Failure of Success Criterion 1.1.1 due to not marking up decorative images or applets in HTML in a way that allows assitive technology to ignore them

paul: long but clear

no objections to james last offer

james: putting in note that we need to investigate relevance of aria-hidden for this failure

jon: would aria-label empty be equivalent to empty alt?

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20130502tfaria2/results#xlabel

aria live regions

paul: if using describedby, do we need aria-live?
... what if you have only one error container and 4 inputs?

jon: separate message for each input is appropriate

james, paul: title needs to be more specific to error messages

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-alertdialog

james: combine this with the above link?

pau;: should no tbe combined - different kinds of implementations

james: role=alert equivalent to assertive

<jamesn> Using ARIA Live Regions or role=alert to Identify Errors

james: jon can modify example

paul: concern over aria-describedby used here
... will add example for role alert
... should example include other aria attributes?

james: ok

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