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HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

04 Apr 2013

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Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
Léonie Watson, JF, JohnF

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 04 April 2013

Identify scribe - 2 minutes

<chaals> Chaals: anyone prepared to Scribe

New Staff Introduction - 3 minutes

<LJWatson> scribe: Léonie Watson

<LJWatson> CMN: Welcome to Mark.

<LJWatson> JB: Mark will be staff contact specifically for the HTML A11y TF.

<LJWatson> MS: Would welcome anyone who'd like to schedule a call with me to give me some background.

<LJWatson> JB: We're thrilled you're here.

<LJWatson> +1 Welcome to Mark

<LJWatson> Welcomes and introductions from members of the TF present on the call.

Longdesc Review and bugs <http://clck.ru/8c5Dw> - 4 minutes

<LJWatson> CMN: We have a WAI IG review in progress. Roughly 10 open bugs. Some are tricky.

<LJWatson> CMN: Three in particular - One suggests raising longdesc from "should" to "must", another suggests UA behaviour when the longdesc is pointless, and a third discusses images like stock photography.

<LJWatson> JS: Could we filter by enhancement versus what HTML4 already provided?

<LJWatson> CMN: In the days of HTML4 specs tended to be more loose. Substantive issues tend to be the things left undefined then.

Upcoming HTML & PF F2F <http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda> - 4 minutes

<LJWatson> CMN: The presentation role may be a topic at the F2F. Paul requests that topic suggestions are sent to the HTML WG, topics for Web App Sec should go to that WG.

<LJWatson> PC: When would you like to focus on a11y topics, so it fits with time on PF topics?

<LJWatson> JS: PF has a fairly full agenda.

<LJWatson> JS: We'll know more closer to the meeting time.

<LJWatson> PC: Registeration closes tomorrow.

<LJWatson> JS: I should be more informed next week.

<JF> Suggest revisiting the transcript issue with the larger group

<LJWatson> PC; Sent a note to our host, had a request from the Media TF to break out discussions on topics that might not involve everyone.

<LJWatson> PC: Janina could consider adding topics to the Tuesday agenda, then looking at a breakout session?

<LJWatson> CMN: Do you run your agenda unconference style?

<LJWatson> PC: Yes. Given that most PF people won't be there until Wednesday, it's important for us to know what a11y topics need to be discussed.

<LJWatson> CMN: I'll be there from Tuesday 9am, so envisage actively taking part in that process.

TF publication process <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html> - 2 minutes

<LJWatson> CMN: Process for producing TF deliverables published on the wiki. Please take a look and feedback.

Encrypted Media Extensions specification, video captions, DRM... - the rest

<LJWatson> MW: The idea of the Encrypted Media Extension is to produce a common API.

<JF> scribe: JF

<chaals> scribe: JohnF

<JF> MW: the EME is all in the context of the <video> element in HTML5

<JF> MW: there have been a number of discussions WRT to captions and DRM

<JF> not much mentioned in this topic

<JF> do not have any encrypted captions at this time, but there have been some questions around captions inside of the media wrapper

<chaals> acj john_foliot

<chaals> unmute john_foliot

<chaals> JF: Are transcripts and audio descriptions going to be things that content owners will want to have protected?

<chaals> JF: My concern is that we don't arrive at the last minute and discover tehre are lots of questions - so I am looking for some help in formulating it.

<chaals> MW: [earlier answer] Don't know. THink it is important for people who want to know that to join teh technical work.

<JF> JS: wanted to explore that idea, but from a slightly different perspective

<JF> suggest we revisit the existing specifications to understand terminology

<JF> appears that captions and subtitles are used interchangibly

<JF> seemed that very few people had an understanding of the other types of requirements (extended descriptions, etc.)

<JF> so we should be careful that we are using correct terminology

<JF> JS: we should also check back with our contacts who develop these types of alternatives to see if this topic has hit their radar as well

<JF> JS: did have one other range of concerns, wrt the controls, and want to confirm that they remain outside of this discussion

<JF> MW: correct, this should have no impact on the controls

<JF> this should be more clearly called out in the EME spec

<JF> MW: there is the ability to apply CSS transformations to <video>, but that might be restricted in DRM'ed content

<chaals> [/me notes that there are also users who are trying to enforce "moral right" - restrictions on use of their content, and we can expect them to consider this a feature]

<JF> JB: in some settings, DRM settings have been known to interpret Screen Readers as an "attack"

<JF> what I am hearing here however is that this is likely not the case here. Looking to get some form of confirmation that this is not something we would be concerned with here

<JF> MW: not convinced of this yet, as I do not have a full understanding of the SR technologies

<JF> JB: if it turns out that this is a risk, it will become a high priority issue for us to address

<JF> so making sure that access to caption and video description streams is important

<JF> MW: to my understanding, those devices need access to the raw video stream?

<JF> JS: historic problem arose from accessing the text that had been encrypted

<JF> if a SR is your "eyes" and that text was encrypted, then the screen reader was perceived as an attack

<JF> I don't see this as the same issue if the data is a video stream, but if the alternative representations are encrytped then the issues will likely remain

<JF> we have some bugs in general about media controls

<JF> MW: back to the screen readers, I think there are 3 tech. possibilities" 1) delivered in the clear, 2) within the multi-plex delivery, 3) encrypted captions could be rendered in the DRM system to be rendered on the screen (??)

<JF> we have not address those in the spec at this time

<JF> the first 2 appear clear, and to date no-one has come forward with a request for the third

<JF> MW: if we feel that in the future that it does surface, then we would need to look at that

<Zakim> chaals, you wanted to ask how the spec handles different requirements on different parts of content - does it allow for tracks with different CDMs?

<JF> However as Janina has noted, it would be a lot simpler if the support files remained in the clear

<JF> DM: can't imagine why content owners wouldn't want to encrypt those files

<JF> CMM: there are a lot of content owners who don't do this today

<JF> MW: this is the case at netflix, where videos are encrypted but not caption files

<JF> PC: this might be a topic to add to the F2F agenda

<JF> the EME folk have asked for a 90 minute slot

<JF> thus asking these questions to the larger group may surface other responses [sic]

<JF> CMM: don't know why we can't squeeze these into the same 90 minutes

<JF> PC: a lot of the existing EME bugs are quite complex

<JF> CMM: if you have the video element and a track element, then can you apply the DRM to the media and not the track?

<JF> MW: this is the idea. This might need to be made clearer in the draft spec

<JF> JS: David macDonald's question is quite valid

<JF> we have had this problem in the past

<paulc> I need to go to get ready to Chair the WG meeting

<JF> CMM: reached the end. Would like to thank Mark for coming to explain this topic further

<JF> there are a large number of things still to be addressed, so please follow the mailing list carefully

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