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<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/18_2_2013/
<scribe> scribe: Detlev
Looking at survey - few answers - apologies
This is rthwe link to the survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/18_2_2013/
Walking through Loretta's comment
Loretta: not sure why they were
related to SC 1.3.1
... should be applicable to SC 2.4.4
... Question what will show up in things like SR link lists
James: aria-describedby doesn't
usually show up in link lists
... Why necessary to be in 2.4.4 rather than 2.4.9?
... Fear is that this technique will be seen as necessary for
meeting 2.4.4
Loretta: unsure what the issue is
James: suggests to use an example where 2.4.4 would not be met without it
Loreatta: Every 2.4.9 technique is also a 2.4.4 technique
James: Proposes one example where 2.4.4 wouldn't be met without aria-describedby
Marc: possibly looking at failures (F63) adapting for aria-described by
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/F63.html
James: suggestion was to amending one of the examples in F63 to add to this technique so it would help meeting 2.4.4
Loretta: willing to make edits but questions remain
Group making on-the-fly edits to technique http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby_for_link_purpose
James: aria spec does not prescribe behaviour how AT would handle info in aria-describedby
Loretta: Will give some
indication that both the link text and description text will
usually both be made available
... either available at the vey end of accessible name , states
etc, or offered as option to explore
... Possibility to remove headings to meet 2.4.4 from
sufficient to advisory
James: but this may not happen
Loretta: shall we drop example 7, and what do you think of ex. 3?
James: Example 3 not ideal, may be covered by other examples
Lortetta: suggest dropping Ex. 3 and 7
James: seconds that
... Example 7 may not actually work anyway
Same applies to example 6 - needs testing
Detlev: Proposes testing example
6 in that technique
... suggests links to AT support database once it's there
Loretta: Detailed level of support info not usually part of WCAG techniques - changes too quickly
Moving to Technique "Using aria-label for link purpose" http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-label_for_link_purpose
James: If someone's using the
A11y API to compute the list of links they would get the
aria-label info, if they use the DOM, they wouldn't
... Could be 2.4.9 Candidate
... Accordign to aria spec aria-label should override / replace
the link text
... Good practice to start aria-label text with the same text
as the link text - "Read more.." replaced by "Read more about
Seminole tax hike"
(On-the -fly changes to technique being made by James)
(...explaining/reinforcing the replacement rule according to the spec's acessible name computation)
Marc: should we include the link?
<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#textalternativecomputation
James: its called text alternative comutation
sorry, text alternative computation
<jongund> I have to go
James: adding reference to SC 2.4.9
Support notes need to be updated
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