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SVG Working Group Teleconference

28 Feb 2013

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Attendees

Present
+1.415.308.aaaa, Doug_Schepers, [IPcaller], ed, cabanier, nikos_, krit, +33.9.53.77.aabb, Tav
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cabanier, shanestephens, shepazu

Contents


<krit> cabanier: that is what I meant :P

<trackbot> Date: 28 February 2013

<krit> cabanier: I am

<krit> cabanier: but no one else :P

<cabanier> scribenick: cabanier

publishing SVG2

ed: I sent my feedback

… there are 'missing reference, couldn't find, etc"

… it would be nice to fix that

krit: that's a requirement for publishing

ed: maybe somone should go through and see what problems there are

… unless anyone objects, we should publish

nikos: I can take an action

ed: ok

<scribe> ACTION: Nikos to validate the spec for lose references [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3466 - Validate the spec for lose references [on Nikos Andronikos - due 2013-03-07].

<ed> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013JanMar/0058.html

ed: we need to change the appendix from svg 1.1

… should we keep it?

krit: I think we already resolved to do it the same as css

ed: OK. we need another action to see what needs to be listed

<scribe> ACTION: Nikos to see what needs to be done to update the appendix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3467 - See what needs to be done to update the appendix [on Nikos Andronikos - due 2013-03-07].

krit: you just need to check what needs to be modified

ed: can we resolve to publish once these actions are done?

resolution: The WG will publish the spec once action 3466 and 3467 are done

referencing the HTML spec

ed: is rich on the call?

… if he want to clarify the topic

… I was replying to his email

krit: the HTML spec has things that we want to reference

… it's not in the HTML5 spec so can we reference the WhatWG spec

cabanier: did you look at the 5.1 spec?

shepazu: what are you looking for?

<krit> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-Window-20060407/

krit: the section that refers to window

ed: that is just an informative reference from the svg spec

krit: why not normative?

ed: there was no a window object in 1.1

<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/CR-html5-20121217/browsers.html#the-window-object

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/browsers.html#the-window-object

<ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/struct.html#InterfaceGetSVGDocument

ed: is there anything there in the whatwg that is not in the html5 spec

krit: I don't think so

… I will change the reference from the window spec to HTML5

<scribe> ACTION: krit to update the spec and change the reference from the window spec to the HTML5 spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3468 - Update the spec and change the reference from the window spec to the HTML5 spec [on Dirk Schulze - due 2013-03-07].

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013JanMar/0055.html

ed: should we go over this list?

cabanier: maybe we should wait until he calls in

krit: or we can discuss it on the mailing list?

shepazu: can we discuss it on www-svg?

ed: sure

text on path overflowing

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Feb/0053.html

krit: text now gets clipped. sometimes that's what you want but sometimes not

… but I agree with Erik's reply on the list

ed: should we define how the text overflows?

krit: maybe. but no magic

ed: is that wrapping?

krit: yes. no estimating like continuing an arc

ed: for me, it would be fine to tie the end together. Just restart from the beginning

… that would be a simple model

krit: there are use case that the text just continues

… if we take the last angle and continue in a straight line

… which seemed what he asked for

… but your suggestion sounds good too

ed: like a 'wrapped' keyword

… but I don't know if it makes sense to extend text overflow like this

krit: I have no strong opinion on this

ed: I think it would be fine to have a workaround for this.

… his email states that he already is fixing it by extending the path. So I think it's OK to defer

krit: that would be fine for me as wel

resolution: defer text on a path extension to a later date

* sure. thanks! *

<shepazu> scribenick: shanestephens

<shepazu> scribenick: shepazu

Whitespace at end of textpath

<ed> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641187

ed: not sure how this is affected by changes we're making to whitespace, propose to defer until we know more about how CSS whitespace will affect us

Issue: figure out how to deal with trailing whitespace in textpath per https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641187

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-2446 - Figure out how to deal with trailing whitespace in textpath per https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=641187; please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2446/edit>.

<krit> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=SVG

html element in SVG

krit: discussed this at F2F, also talking about it in WebKit

<krit> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/interact.html#PointerEventsProperty

krit: pointer-events property started in SVG, implemented for CSS+HTML

<scribe> … dropped from CSS UI 3

ed: you want to add this to SVG 2?

krit: pointer-events in all browsers, but Firefox and WebKituse 'auto' as initial value

… I propose for SVG that we allow 'auto' as value and use as initial value

shepazu: I propose that this be done in CSS, and that it should be part of a larger hit-testing spec… let's not define it in SVG anymore

krit: fine by me

<ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/interact.html#PointerEventsProperty

ed: sound fine, as long as we add the SVG Tiny 1.2 property keyword 'boundingBox'

shepazu: could also have alpha-based hit-testing, for games

krit: talked about this in WebKit, expensive for us

shepazu: more difficult still for people doing it in JS

krit: just do it in canvas

shepazu: then why not optimize that way in the implementation?

krit: sure, why not?

<scribe> ACTION: propose hit-testing/pointer-events spec to CSS WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Error finding 'propose'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users>.

<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to propose hit-testing/pointer-events spec to CSS WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3469 - Propose hit-testing/pointer-events spec to CSS WG [on Doug Schepers - due 2013-03-07].

<krit> <svg><html>..html..content..</html></svg>

<krit> <html> must have boundaries

<krit> —> SVGHTMLElement

shepazu: did we resolve around <svg><html>…</htlm></svg> without <foreignObject>?

ed: we'd need x/y on <html>

krit: Hixie proposed this, and said it's up to SVG WG

<ed> also width/height

krit: the <html> tag inside the SVG NS would be an SVG element

<krit> It would be more like the HTMLBodyElement

shepazu: let's take it to www-svg

ADJOURNED

trackbot, end telcon

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: krit to update the spec and change the reference from the window spec to the HTML5 spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Nikos to see what needs to be done to update the appendix [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Nikos to validate the spec for lose references [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: propose hit-testing/pointer-events spec to CSS WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: shepazu to propose hit-testing/pointer-events spec to CSS WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-svg-minutes.html#action05]
 
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