IRC log of tt on 2013-01-31
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be TTML
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- ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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- Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 31 January 2013
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- Chair
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- Sean Hayes
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- scribenick: mmartin3
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, mmartin3
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Sean, mmartin3, glenn, trackbot
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- 15:01:06 [glenn]
- calling in now
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, mmartin3
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- On IRC I see pal, mike, plh, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sean, mmartin3, glenn, trackbot
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- zakim, list attendees
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- sorry, mmartin3, I don't know what conference this is
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- zakim, list attendees #tt
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- I don't understand 'list attendees #tt', mmartin3
- 15:04:05 [glenn]
- zakim, this is #ttwg
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- sorry, glenn, I do not see a conference named '#ttwg' in progress or scheduled at this time
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- zakim, list conferences
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- I see BG_Oil Gas()10:00AM, XML_PMWG()10:00AM, SW_RDFa()10:00AM, WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM, T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM active
- 15:04:13 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are Team_Global(review)8:00AM, Team_(CRM)9:30AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, Team_Comm()10:00AM, DIG_weekly()10:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM,
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- ... MM_MMI(EMMA)10:00AM, I18N_MLW WG(LT)9:00AM, INC_(DecisionXG)10:00AM
- 15:04:22 [glenn]
- zakim, this is SYMM_TTWG
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- ok, glenn; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
- 15:04:33 [mmartin3]
- TOPIC: Second Edition
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- +glenn
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- plh: We are not allowed to go to LC given the structure; we can only go to PR.
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- ..Requires revised charter if substantive changes.
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- sean: We aren't making substantive changes.
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- plh: Halt publication or publish as Working Draft.
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- glenn: Edits aren't complete.
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- plh: We agreed to do so Jan 24.
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- ...Not First Public Working Draft but a Working Draft with no policy implications.
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- No objections spoken on Working Draft publication of TTML 1.0 SE.
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- glenn: To clarify, go to PR later.
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- +Thomas_Bause_Mason
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- plh: Has a different patent policy for what is allowed in the charter.
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- mike: May inject new IPR.
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- Resolved to proceed to publish TTML 1.0 Second Edition as Working Draft.
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- TOPIC: SDP-US
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- glenn: Are we ready to publish?
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- sean: Talk about Issue-199 first.
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- -Plh
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- TOPIC: Issues
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- Issue-199?
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- ISSUE-199 -- timeExpression to video frame calculation is unclear in some cases -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/199
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- sean: Describes issues on timeExpression with non-integer values.
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- ...Frame rates. Little use thus far.
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- ...Check however.
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- ...Captions can drift up to 3.5 seconds per hour given algorithm used.
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- ...DECE uses hh:mm:ss since you hit the play button.
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- ...Other is take frame expression as an odometer and count, then map to dilated time in the video.
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- ...SDP-US affected.
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- ...Who has dones what?
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- ...We've used second approach but haven't actively used.
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- mjordan: We used Method #1.
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- sean: Assume use SMPTE mechanism.
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- ..As Adobe has.
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- mike: Interpreted Method #1 - decoders and movie houses. Deluxe uses Method #2 but were doing with 2 studios (who use Method #1).
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- ...We have to spell out semantics.
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- s/...We/sean: We
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- sean: We can move forward with SDP-US and if TTML 1.0 SE semantics change, there is not an issue.
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- ...Any objections?
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- No objections vetted.
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- RESOLVED to accept Method#1 in TTML 1.0 SE which is aligned with DECE. This resolves any blocking change in SDP-US. Create action for Glenn to implement.
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- This resolves Issue-199.
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- No objections.
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- Action Glenn to implement proposal Method#1 in TTML 1.0 SE and this resolves any blocking change in SDP-US.
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- Created ACTION-140 - Implement proposal Method#1 in TTML 1.0 SE and this resolves any blocking change in SDP-US. [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-02-07].
- 15:23:09 [mmartin3]
- TOPIC: SDP-US
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- sean: Resolution of Issue-199 unblocks SDP-US.
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- Issue-198?
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- ISSUE-198 -- Add TTML in Title of SDP-US for Ready Recognition -- pending review
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/198
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- sean: We can close this as implemented.
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- .mmartin3: Yes.
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- Close Issue-198
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- Closed ISSUE-198 Add TTML in Title of SDP-US for Ready Recognition.
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- Updated draft: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html
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- sean: Advance to Working Group Note.
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- RESOLVED to publish SDP-US as Working Group Note.
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- No objections.
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- sean: Will ask PLH to publish.
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- Issue-172
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- ISSUE-172 -- REGION-OF(E) pseudo-code doesn't match prose -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/172
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- glenn: Questions raised by Sony - pseudo code or prose.
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- ..Need to review.
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- sean: May be related to our implementers in that the algorithm is different between the prose and the psudo-code.
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- glenn: Prose is correct. Need to correct pseudo-code.
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- ..Need to review both the prose and pseudo-code. Ensure prose is correct.
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- sean: Similar to our issue so we should sort out Feb 7.
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- glenn: Work on SE issue. Not present Feb 7 as in CSS meeting.
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- ...Report Feb 14.
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- sean: Step #3 isn't reflected in the pseudo code.
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- glenn: Sony's questions are the same and that I observed in my review.
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- New Issues
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- sean: Aspect ratio
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- s/New Issues/TOPIC: New Issues
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- -[Microsoft]
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- +??P6
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- test
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- continue Aspect Ratio
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- (Sorry lost my connection).
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- glenn: SDP-US uses % with 4x3 and replay 16x9 resize and move.Correct?
- 15:39:19 [mmartin3]
- sean: Yes.
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- Discussion on how SDP-US works.
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- sean: SDP-US doesn't use pixels.
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- glenn: Relative positioning .
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- sean: Multiple 4x3 transformations to 16x9 on TV. How do we signal the content?
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- +[Microsoft]
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- -??P6
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- zakim, Microsoft is mmartin3
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- +mmartin3; got it
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- pal: Could we use percentages with some caveats, it will work.
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- sean: Issues on how you position regions in some cases.
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- glenn: Need to scale and preserve aspect ratio.
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- Discuss options.
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- pal: Unambiguous association between root container and media object. You don't have pixels with its issues. TTML 1.0 SE doesn't articulate it. SDP-US doesn't resolve questions to us on the list.
- 15:45:21 [mmartin3]
- sean: SDP-US is a specific solution but doesn't appear to work for Netflix.
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- ...Invite experts to attend and explain their issues. or to open an issue.
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- s/issues./issues
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- mike:
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- We need to ask Netflix to articulate what they need.
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- mmartin3: Netlfix have been following this work.
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- sean: Ask them to attend and articulate their requirements.
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- Issue-173?
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- ISSUE-173 -- presentation semantics of control characters and other unmapped characters -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/173
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- return to
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- TOPIC:Issues
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- Issue-173?
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- ISSUE-173 -- presentation semantics of control characters and other unmapped characters -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/173
- 15:48:48 [mmartin3]
- glenn: No progress on SE issues.
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- Defer others.
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- sean: Progress on SE by 2 weeks.
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- glenn: Will try to work on.
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- sean: Behind on timeline on SE.
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- glenn: Most items are straightforward. Need to think about timing semantics and regions.
- 15:51:16 [mmartin3]
- ...Issue-175 Someone could help step in as editor.
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- sean: Call
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- on Feb 7 and make a decision if we need more editors.
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- sean: No other items today. No other business identified when asked.
- 15:52:23 [mmartin3]
- ...Adjourned.
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- -Andreas
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- -Thomas_Bause_Mason
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- -glenn
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- -sean
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- -pal
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- - +1.617.347.aaaa
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- zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been sean, mike, Plh, pal, Andreas, +1.617.347.aaaa, glenn, Thomas_Bause_Mason, mmartin3
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- -mike
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been sean, mike, Plh, pal, Andreas, +1.617.347.aaaa, glenn, Thomas_Bause_Mason, mmartin3
- 15:52:48 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 15:52:48 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/31-tt-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
- 15:52:49 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items