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<trackbot> Date: 30 January 2013
<Steven> Scribe: Nick
<scribe> scribenick:nvdbleek
Steven: This is a new XML conference
<Steven> Deadline 15th Mar 2013
<Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Jan/0012.html
Steven: So erik
ebruchez: I did some
clean-up
... Nick it looks like you took the xslt text and change at
less as possible
nvdbleek: All the changes you made make it more readable, so the changes are definitely fine
ebruchez: We disallow shadowing. XSLT allows it. I could go either way.
nvdbleek: Disallowing shadowing for now is ok for me, I rarely used in XSLT and don't see any use cases in XForms for now
ebruchez: We need some samples of
use cases for variables
... I can come up with some examples
ACTION ebruchez to add exmples of the use of variables to the XForms 2.0
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<Steven> ACTION: erik to add exmples of the use of variables to the XForms 2.0 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/30-forms-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1922 - Add exmples of the use of variables to the XForms 2.0 [on Erik Bruchez - due 2013-02-06].
<Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Jan/0013.html
Steven: Erik says that "We need
to specify what happens if the format is invalid during
submission."
... fair enough
ebruchez: We should at least
mention that submission will fail if the processor can't
convert the XML to JSON
... Related: should we explicitly say that unknown
elements/attributes
are ignored? Or only those in a namespace? This could be useful so
that you can locally annotate the XML document yet still submit it back to JSON.
ebruchez: any xml element in the default namespace could be converted to JSON, but elements in another namesapce wouldn't be converted to JSON
Steven: We should say that namespace elements and unknown attributes should be ignored while converted to JSON (they can be used as meta-data)
ACTION Steven To add text that submission will fail if the XML can't be converted to JSON
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1923 - Add text that submission will fail if the XML can't be converted to JSON [on Steven Pemberton - due 2013-02-06].
ACTION Steven Add text to the spec that elements not in the default namespace and unknown attributes won't be taken into account when serialising the XML to JSON
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1924 - Add text to the spec that elements not in the default namespace and unknown attributes won't be taken into account when serialising the XML to JSON [on Steven Pemberton - due 2013-02-06].
ebruchez: marked by the header parameter of the media type
Steven: We use it to specify if the CSV header row should be added or not
<Steven> "Optional parameters: charset, header
<Steven> Common usage of CSV is US-ASCII, but other character sets defined
<Steven> by IANA for the "text" tree may be used in conjunction with the
<Steven> "charset" parameter.
<Steven> The "header" parameter indicates the presence or absence of the
<Steven> header line. Valid values are "present" or "absent".
<Steven> Implementors choosing not to use this parameter must make their
<Steven> own decisions as to whether the header line is present or absent."
<Steven> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4180
<ebruchez> Valid values are "present" or "absent"
Steven: I have to investigate what people have done when the header parameter is left out, because the spec doesn't tell what to do
<Steven> ACTION: Steven toinvestigate what happens when header param of csv files is left off [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/30-forms-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1925 - Toinvestigate what happens when header param of csv files is left off [on Steven Pemberton - due 2013-02-06].
ebruchez: You have to go to the rfc to know the value
Steven: I can at least at a reference to the spec there
<Steven> ACTION: Steven to add ref to CSV spec at the mention of the header param [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/30-forms-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1926 - Add ref to CSV spec at the mention of the header param [on Steven Pemberton - due 2013-02-06].
unl: I have a question about the
header element
... if you have a header then you create elements with it as
element name, if absent the elements are called v
... I'm concerned when we serialize back how you know if there
was an header or not
ebruchez: My understanding was, that if you want a header row you specified it on the submission
unl: Ok this might not be a problem then
ebruchez: If you want to know if the incoming csv has a header row of not
Steven: I think that it is a big fault in the csv format that you can't know looking at the content that you have a header row or not
ebruchez: What if it served incorrectly, and the header states that there is no header but there is a header
Steven: It is not only for CSV,
it is also for XML documents, if the header is incorrect then
we won't accept the XML
... There is a problem when you load CSV from the filesystem,
because then you don't have any headers
<ebruchez> CSV issue #1: what if header attribute is missing in content type?
Steven: Lets remember this as a problem, but I don't see a solution at the moment
<ebruchez> CSV issue #2: can XForms know whether the response had the header attribute (e.g. so it can serialize it back with or without a header row).
<Steven> Conclusion: no header param is the same as headers=absent
<Steven> ACTION: Steven to add no header param means the same as headers=absent [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/30-forms-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1927 - Add no header param means the same as headers=absent [on Steven Pemberton - due 2013-02-06].
<Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Jan/0014.html
ebruchez: Minor edit
... The introduction is outdated
Steven: I will be happy to have a look at it
<Steven> ACTION: Steven to review intro to XForms [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/30-forms-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1928 - Review intro to XForms [on Steven Pemberton - due 2013-02-06].
<Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Jan/0019.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Jan/0021.html
ebruchez: We noticed that dialog
was missing, Nick recalled only two open issues
... There is slight bias to show and hide
RESOLUTION: We will use show and hide in the dialog module
<Steven> So resolved
ebruchez: It is done as a separate module
Steven: It can be a separate module in the main spec
ebruchez: We don't need to create a separate file
<Steven> scribe: Nick
<Steven> scribe: Steven
Erik: Let's just put it in the main body of the spec
Uli: We need to talk about relevance
Steven: But not in two minutes, let's save it to next week
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