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<trackbot> Date: 24 January 2013
<Stevef> janina: http://www.paciellogroup.com/mobile/
<chaals> Do we have a scribe?
<chaals> scribe: LeonieWatson
<scribe> scribe: Léonie Watson
<chaals> Notes... ARIA in HTML needs some editing before publication
<chaals> … and chaals needs to follow up with Steve to wrap the longdesc publication request.
<chaals> http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wqz5z2iwy3oazb@dhcp-219-219-wifi.yandex.net
action-22?
<trackbot> ACTION-22 -- Michael Cooper to organize joint discussion of testing task force and html a11y task force -- due 2011-05-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/22
MC: We might want to make this an agenda request for the face to face.
JS: This is one item we do want to follow up on.
MC: Will make a note.
CMN: Will you keep this action?
MC: Yes.
<MichaelC> action-22 due 22 April
<trackbot> Set ACTION-22 Organize joint discussion of testing task force and html a11y task force due date to 22 April.
<MichaelC> action-22: request joint discussion of testing a11y features at the 2013 joint FtF
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-22 Organize joint discussion of testing task force and html a11y task force.
<chaals> RESOLUTION: action-22 new due date 2012-01-29
JB: There is a testing meeting next week, I'll be talking there, what are your thoughts about the relatedness of this action item Philippe?
<paulc> I would suggest that A11Y TF attend a testing TF distributed meeting and NOT delay this to the April F2F.
<paulc> It is not obvious to me that we will have the right Testing TF people at the April F2F.
PLH: That meeting is to be about
testing, it may be that there is a company or individual who
could write tests.
... It's about identifying the right resources.
PC: Why would we delay doing
this? Agree with Philippe. If you ask them what they're doing
about a11y, they'll ask us what we're doing about it.
... My suggestion - do this earlier rather than later.
CMN: Michael you happy with the deadline of the 29th January?
MC: Not sure I'm the appropriate person to approach them.
CMN: Suggestions?
... We could assign it to Judy?
JB: No.
SF: What form of a11y testing will be happening?
JS: It's vital to define how much
testing will happen.
... For CR we'll have to test all the "must" statements and
we'll need a strategy for that.
... We could talk to the DRM people about a test case to test
whether DRM will affect AT users for example.
JF: Encrypted media - is that not an extension spec?
<paulc> There is at least one early EME implementation. I suggest that someone work with that implementation to prove if there are any problems. And if there are problems then file bugs.
CMN: Will someone take the item?
JF: I'm not seeing the direct link to HTML5 and CR.
JB: We want to make sure all the a11y features are tested by the end of CR.
JF: Agree we need to stay on top of testing.
<paulc> Judy said "test all the features". If there is existing interoperability then the HTML 5 CR exit criteria can accept that evidence instead of insisting on testing all features.
SF: We definitely need to test
where ARIA roles are mapped to HTML elements.
... Happy to look at that aspect.
action-75?
<trackbot> ACTION-75 -- Steve Faulkner to update change proposal for bug 10594 and 10603 (was HTML WG action 198) -- due 2010-11-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/75
<JF> "Testing" is quite a large bucket of requirements and deliverables
CMN: This is long past relevant, on the basis CPs are all long past relevant.
action-77?
<trackbot> ACTION-77 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to update change proposal re bug 10449 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/77
<chaals> action-77?
<trackbot> ACTION-77 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to update change proposal re bug 10449 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/77
<chaals> action-78?
<trackbot> ACTION-78 -- Cynthia Shelly to update change proposal for bug 10448 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/78
<chaals> action-79?
<trackbot> ACTION-79 -- Steve Faulkner to update change proposal for bugs 10444 and 10462 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/79
<chaals> action-80?
<trackbot> ACTION-80 -- Steve Faulkner to update change proposal for bug 10481 -- due 2010-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/80
<chaals> RESOLUTION: close 75, 77-80
action-91?
<trackbot> ACTION-91 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to review Charles draft of the canvas 2D API -- due 2010-12-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/91
action-105?
<trackbot> ACTION-105 -- Gregory Rosmaita to - review w3c bugzilla installation versus newest version 4, coordinate with those who volunteered, present options and needs -- due 2011-04-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/105
CMN: Is this useful?
MC: The bugzilla instance we have now is more accessible.
<chaals> 110, 112, 115-117 ...
CMN: 110, 112, 116 and 117 are
obsolete and can be closed.
... 121 through 125 are obsolete, 132 through 135 are also
obsolete.
... I didn't find these in bug triage.
action-137?
<trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Cynthia Shelly to review HTML spec, make sure 'click' fires with primary key press (space or enter/return) on any element, including elements like 'div' which are not natively focusable -- due 2012-01-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/137
CMN: I completed this. Summary,
no problem here.
... 139 and 140 are obsolete.
<inserted> RESOLUTION: Close the items chaals suggested closing (other than action 22)
action-144?
<trackbot> ACTION-144 -- Charles McCathie Nevile to check whether we should be looking into accesskeys as an HTML issue -- due 2012-11-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/144
CMN: Think this action should be maintained.
<chaals> ACTION-144 due in two weeks
<trackbot> Set ACTION-144 Check whether we should be looking into accesskeys as an HTML issue due date to two weeks.
action-136?
<trackbot> ACTION-136 -- John Foliot to foliot revisit controls vs. no controls -- due 2011-10-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/136
JF: Somewhat relevant still.
JS: Cynthia argues this is a per browser issue, and that the spec is ok. Wonder if she's right?
CMN: John will you follow up on this action?
JF: Yes.
<chaals> ACTION-136 due in two weeks
<trackbot> Set ACTION-136 Foliot revisit controls vs. no controls due date to two weeks.
<chaals> action-138?
<trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Michael Cooper to find or set up location for jquery that can be referenced by W3C specs and kept current / versioned -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/138
action-138?
<trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Michael Cooper to find or set up location for jquery that can be referenced by W3C specs and kept current / versioned -- due 2012-03-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/138
MC: Think this can be
closed.
... Found it once.
CMN: Could you find it again?
<chaals> action-138 due tomorrow
<trackbot> Set ACTION-138 Find or set up location for jquery that can be referenced by W3C specs and kept current / versioned due date to tomorrow.
action-89?
<trackbot> ACTION-89 -- Cynthia Shelly to address how aria-autocomplete relates to HTML autocomplete wrt to aapi - relates to PFWG comment 340 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/comments/details?comment_id=340 -- due 2010-11-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/89
action-142?
<trackbot> ACTION-142 -- Cynthia Shelly to file HTML bug about methods that should fail when an element has @hidden set -- due 2012-10-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/142
CMN: John, any insights?
action-118?
<trackbot> ACTION-118 -- Gez Lemon to review if HTML drag and drop model conflicts with ARIA drag and drop model -- due 2011-03-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/118
LW: Need to find someone to review this part of the spec again.
action-101?
<trackbot> ACTION-101 -- Gregory Rosmaita to - email ARIA Caucus to request a "modal" attribute for ARIA -- due 2011-03-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/101
action-131?
<trackbot> ACTION-131 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to write whitepaper on ARIA features that seem similar to HTML features but aren't -- due 2011-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/131
JB: What's the priority/need level?
CMN: Reasonably important I think.
JS: Agreed.
SF: I'll ping Rich about this one.
<chaals> [assign 131 to rich and stevef jointly...]
<chaals> action-109?
<trackbot> ACTION-109 -- Sean Hayes to file bug on dealing with cues that come out of order -- due 2011-03-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/109
<chaals> action-109 due in one week
<trackbot> Set ACTION-109 File bug on dealing with cues that come out of order due date to one week.
<chaals> action-109 john foliot
JB: Text sub team has some bugs from triage to bring to the TF.
<chaals> LW: Triage - all canvas and ARIA backlog cleared. waiting on text subteam, media subteam (and chaals).
<chaals> … suggestion from Silvia to take forward her proposals.
<janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Nov/0040.html
<chaals> Bug 12964 (LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "<video>: Declarative linking of full-text
<chaals> transcripts to video and audio elements"
JS: Related to an action with John.
<chaals> Bug 13273 (LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "Clarify text in media element user interface section"
JF: First two bugs are assigned to me. The first one, given time/date it'll probably have to be an extension spec. Not sure how e kick that off?
CMN: In that case we should shift it it to 5.1?
JS: Or to the HTML-A11y TF?
CMN: Suggest keeping it in HTML.
JF: Being tracked by issue 194.
<chaals> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12964
JS: Are those issue numbers still relevant?
CMN: They're relevant because they often have pointers to the bugs.
JF: 13273 is related to the action I'll do for a couple of weeks.
CMN: Silvia thought this one could be closed.
<paulc> FTR ISSUE-194 was one of the issues that "plan 2014" said should be done as an extension spec.
<chaals> Bug 8657 (pre-LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "Allow UA to reload fallback content if loading fails"
CMN: Can close.
<chaals> Bug 10841 (pre-LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "We require a method to allow the user
<chaals> to control playback timing in order to have more time to understand the
<chaals> material."
JF: It's an implementation problem. The method exists.
CMN: Can close.
<chaals> Bug 10842 (pre-LC1) RESO-NEED-INFO "Support the isolation of speech from other background sounds in AV media"
CMN: Silvia suggests
closing.
... Could handle through WCAG/UAAG.
JF: Looking at 841, 842 and 843 - handling through UAAG makes sense. Suggest we close but forward to UAAG WG.
JB: Definitely worth asking them to take a look.
<chaals> ACTION: johnfoliot to forward bugs 10841, 10842, 10843 to UAAG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
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JF: I'll contact UAAG and let them know we're closing these bugs, but that they might want to take a look at them.
<chaals> ACTION: john_foliot to forward bugs 10841, 10842, 10843 to UAAG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
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CMN: 10642 - The poster issue.
JF: Can be closed, I withdrew my formal objection.
<paulc> I have to go to the WG meeting.
<chaals> [Thanks Léonie for scribing]
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