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<bhyland> dialing in, apologies...
<sandro> scribe: sandro
<olyerickson> (says...)
(martin alvarez)
bern: we could do tracker or talk about w3
sandro: I'm not willing to partiticpate in this w3 discussion
<olyerickson> bhyland: proposes "Discuss visibility of W3C in Open Government Data landscape"
hadley: is this official thing? or informal?
<HadleyBeeman> I'm just curious about whether/how this fits within our charter.
<HadleyBeeman> (Or if this is an off-the-record chat)
bern: I could air my concern and people can tell me it's not a problem
sandro: is this the same as at tpac?
<HadleyBeeman> scribe: Hadleybeeman
HadleyBeeman, I'll keep scribing, it's fine.
<scribe> scribe: sandro
<HadleyBeeman> Go for it, sandro. Thanks!!
bern: GLD was set up with an
expectation of participation from data.gov.uk and John
Sheridan
... I went to a conference at US NIST -- which is the org
responsible for broadly data stewardship related to measurement
-- and there wasn't any presence of the W3 there. Audience of
400-500 people.
... we're not so visible, from what I can tell.
... are we visible in the UK, in Spain, etc?
PhilA: +1 sandro I don't think this an appropriate use of the group's time. we have open issues, vocabs, etc.
<bhyland> PhilA
PhilA: I'm happy to talk about what's going on, but it's not for this meeting.
bern: I'll take this to elsewhere, then.
<olyerickson> Was this the NIST conference? http://www.nist.gov/itl/cloud/cloudbdworkshop.cfm
bern: anyone else?
... yes, olyerickson that was it.
<bhyland> Proposal to accept minutes from last week: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-12-20
<bhyland> Minutes from last week: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-01-10
<DaveReynolds> +1
<Mike_Pendleton> +1
RESOLUTION: accept minutes from last week http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-01-10
<HadleyBeeman> +1
bern: no update on dublin meeting
<scribe> ACTION: bhyland set up f2f wiki page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-85 - Set up f2f wiki page [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-01-24].
<bhyland> ACTION: Tracker Review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Error finding 'Tracker'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>.
<bhyland> 1. Open items, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/open
http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/raised?sort=product
sandro: let's sort by the Product column, so they are grouped that way.
issue-28?
<trackbot> ISSUE-28 -- Is a vocabulary 5-star? -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/28
bern: Any guesses what Michael was thinking?
sandro: I see it's coming from a
Vatant post.
... Is this stuff in the current best practices doc?
bern: it's not now, but it would
be good to add.
... examples would be good.
sandro: maybe close this and action bern to add a draft to bp
DaveReynolds: bernard's post covers stuff we're already doing in our vocabs
<scribe> ACTION: bhyland to pub guidance in bp checklist guided by http://blog.hubjects.com/2012/02/is-your-linked-data-vocabulary-5-star_9588.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Pub guidance in bp checklist guided by http://blog.hubjects.com/2012/02/is-your-linked-data-vocabulary-5-star_9588.html [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-01-24].
PROPOSED: close issue-28 given action-86
<TallTed> +1
<DaveReynolds> +1
RESOLUTION: close issue-28 given action-86
<bhyland> Next: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/15
close issue-28
<trackbot> Closed ISSUE-28 Is a vocabulary 5-star?.
issue-15?
<trackbot> ISSUE-15 -- GLD life cycle -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/15
<TallTed> trackbot, associate action-86 with issue-28
<trackbot> ACTION-86 (Pub guidance in bp checklist guided by http://blog.hubjects.com/2012/02/is-your-linked-data-vocabulary-5-star_9588.html) associated with ISSUE-28.
bern: Boris and I can still work on this.
<bhyland> Next: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/16
<scribe> ACTION: bhyland to include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15) [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-01-24].
<scribe> ACTION: boris to include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15) [on Boris Villazón-Terrazas - due 2013-01-24].
RESOLUTION: close issue-15 based on action-87 and action-88
close issue-15
<trackbot> Closed ISSUE-15 GLD life cycle.
<TallTed> trackbot, associate action-87 with issue-15
<trackbot> ACTION-87 (Include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15)) associated with ISSUE-15.
<TallTed> trackbot, associate action-88 with issue-15
<trackbot> ACTION-88 (Include life cycle information into bp (from issue-15)) associated with ISSUE-15.
issue-16?
<trackbot> ISSUE-16 -- Re-usable sections or other GLD documents -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/16
bern: I'd call this a topical
mapping of the various things in vocab docs and best practices.
we need consistent review of deliverbales so they don't
contradict each other.
... much of bp was initially a cut-and-paste, and we don't want
to the same info in two locations.
... I think we can just close this -- the review cycle will
already take care of this.
<HadleyBeeman> +1 to this being a part of the editorial process
proposed: close issue-16 it's part of normal process
<bhyland> Next: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12
RESOLUTION: close issue-16 it's part of normal process
close issue-16
<trackbot> Closed ISSUE-16 Re-usable sections or other GLD documents.
issue=12?
issue-12?
<trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- What values to use to describe formats of dcat:Distribution? -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/12
<olyerickson> Most recent update from Fadi was http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Dcat_examples
DaveReynolds?
DaveReynolds: not involved in dcat enough to comment
olyerickson: This is about
whether there should be some suggested formats. There was much
back-and-forth in email. Most recent was a set of examples that
fadi put into wiki.
... I don't have a problem with this, but I don't see clear
consensus yet.
<DaveReynolds> +1 to move to Open
bern: shall we mark it OPEN and action someone to review the status
+1
<bhyland> +1
<TallTed> yes -- mark issue open, push proposed resolution through email, schedule vote on proposal for future calll...
<DaveReynolds> -0 to creating action since we need someone to take the ACTION:)
heh
<bhyland> @DaveR, we'll get to that … ;-)
olyerickson: ISSUE doesn't have a proposal, it's just a question.
bern: olyerickson do you understand what Fadi was looking for?
open issue-12
bern: I'll talk to Fadi about dcat issues, for a future meeting
<bhyland> Next: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/30
okay, all DCAT RAISED issues now OPEN.
DaveReynolds: let's scan them one by one, so we only open the ones we're going to put time into.
issue-30?
<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Declaring relations between cubes -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/30
DaveReynolds: discussed in email
this past week. one cube might be a summary of another
cube.
... benedikt said something, ... I'm concerned this may be too
complex for this WG. Let's leave this RAISED for now.
<bhyland> issue-31?
<trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- Supporting aggregation for other than SKOS hierarchies -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/31
DaveReynolds: it may be beyond the bandwidth of this WG
bhyland: so leaving it as RAISED means it's kind of on our to-do list if we have time.
DaveReynolds: let's open issue-31
and take care of it.
... eg goegraphic relationships
open issue-31
<TallTed> "by ..."?
<scribe> ACTION: DaveReynolds to propose solutions for issue-31 - due 4 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Error finding 'DaveReynolds'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: Dave to propose solutions for issue-31 - due 4 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - propose solutions for issue-31 [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-02-14].
<bhyland> issue-39?
<trackbot> ISSUE-39 -- Data Cube: Allow skos:Collections as value of qb:codeList -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/39
DaveReynolds: This has also been discussed recently. Probably not out of scope. But I think it has to be richard moving this forward.
<bhyland> issue-37?
<trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- Align Data Cube with SDMX 2.1 -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/37
DaveReynolds: Richard is also better placed to comment on this. I'm not familiar with the changes in SDMX 2.1. Someone needs to review and figure out if this is a feasible amount of work.
bern: I'd like to put it on the
nice-to-have someday list.
... there's more low-hanging-fruit.
<bhyland> issue-34?
<trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Clarify or drop qb:subslice ? -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/34
DaveReynolds: The question is whether SDMX has changed in ways that make it simpler, better -- and maybe that would make our job easier.
sandro: maybe we should use POSTPONED status instead of leaving it RAISED?
DaveReynolds: Not yet -- let's have some review first.
<bhyland> issue-34?
<trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Clarify or drop qb:subslice ? -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/34
<scribe> ACTION: Dave make a proposal on issue-34 -- due 4 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Make a proposal on issue-34 -- due 4 weeks [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-01-24].
<bhyland> issue-33?
<trackbot> ISSUE-33 -- Collections of observations and well-formedness of slices -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/33
<scribe> ACTION: Dave propose solution to issue-33 -- due 4 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Propose solution to issue-33 -- due 4 weeks [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-01-24].
<olyerickson> Clarify "using it?"
<bhyland> issue-32?
<trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- Relationship to ISO19156 - Observations & Measurements? -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/32
<olyerickson> There are bioinformatics projects inthe US using it
<olyerickson> (Cube)
DaveReynolds: since the issue was
raised, we now understand how to do this. there's NOT a
one-size-fits-all.
... so we need an informal clarifyin appendix.
<scribe> ACTION: Dave draft an informal appendix to clarify Relationship to ISO19156 - Observations & Measurements? re issue-32 - due 4 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - draft an informal appendix to clarify Relationship to ISO19156 - Observations & Measurements? re issue-32 [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-02-14].
dav: this ISO std stands out with
particular need here
... don't want to have to relate to every other std
<bhyland> issue-29?
<trackbot> ISSUE-29 -- Criteria for well-formedness -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/29
<PhilA> Might that be a QB Profile??
DaveReynolds: This is a bigger one. The cube allows a lot of flexibility. To make it robust and consumable, we need some device in the spec for conformance. We have to address this somehow, but it'll be hard.
<scribe> ACTION: dave come up with a proposal on issue-29 - due 6 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - come up with a proposal on issue-29 [on Dave Reynolds - due 2013-02-28].
PhilA: Is this a Cube Profile?
DaveReynolds: Maybe. It's diffferent in that cube has an abbreviated syntax. That makes it more like SDMX, but requires custom inference to understand it.
dav: in spirit it's a profile, but with more machinery.
<bhyland> Change of plans ...
<bhyland> issue-46?
<trackbot> ISSUE-46 -- Should GLD vocabularies define conceptual models too? -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/46
bern: this was raised by cygri... anyone know?
PhilA: ADMS and RegOrg come from a world where people use conceptual models, not just RDF. Then the conceptual models get translated to RDF. Richard asked if that two-stage model is necessary in this group.
phil: in the fpwd this has
happened. we don't mention anything but RDF, I think.
... So I think for regorg at least this has been
resolved.
... I think it can be closed, but we should check with
richard.
... conformance statement says you COULD use XML or something,
but 'prefers' RDF.
<scribe> ACTION: phil to check with richard on whether issue-46 can be closed, as already taken care of by regorg fpwd [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-gld-minutes.html#action12]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Check with richard on whether issue-46 can be closed, as already taken care of by regorg fpwd [on Phil Archer - due 2013-01-24].
<bhyland> issue-41?
<trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- use of skos:altLabel or dcterms:alternative -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/41
phil: I think this is a dave question, since it comes from Org.
<bhyland> +1
phil: regorg differs from org here.
dav: you had some examples with things with multiple names in the same jurisdiction, so can't use prefLable.
phil: yes.
bern: given popularity of skos, I'd say use prefLabel
phil: there are cases where an
org has mult lables in one lang.
... might have two names with same standing.
down to 18 raised issues. good job folks
bern: thanks everyone, sorry for going overtime.
<BartvanLeeuwen> thx
<BenediktKaempgen> bye, thanks
<bhyland> Thank you all, very productive call re: deliverables
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