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SH: any concerns with going paragraph-by-paragraph?
SAZ: sometimes need to go back and look at the bigger picture, flow, or such
SH: absolutely, emphasis is on the core message rather than typographics
[[Abstract]]
YY: Shawn had comment on citation
http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#citation
<yeliz> yes
SAZ: W3C Manual of Style has section on citation that we need to follow
SH: will add to the guidance for document editors
<yeliz> we don't know
<yeliz> that
<yeliz> :)
<yeliz> we don't know if it is good or bad
<yeliz> :))
SAZ: the word "sophisticated" sticks out
... will comment separately on such wording stuff
SH: maybe good to clarify
<yeliz> We refer them in the future directions part
<yeliz> Under "research roadmap"
SAZ: only reference existing work but there is more in development
SH: maybe too much for the abstract
SAZ: maybe link to the MWI "roadmap" rather than enumerate all the work
[[Introduction]]
DS: maybe better to scope what "mobile devices"
are
... smart phones but maybe also portable computers?
... is it just mobility aspect or also location services in such devices?
+1
SH: agree, could define them as how MWBP define them
<yeliz> I did, thanks David
DS: assertion about iOS in paragraph 3 needs
qualification
... otherwise may seem biased
... also typo "accessibility community"
YY: what specifically is the issue?
SH: "excellent accessibility features"
<yeliz> Thanks, David
SAZ: maybe stay more objective, like "built-in"
rather than "excellent"
... also here we have focus on "existing standards" only
... actually here is only subset of that too
... seems to be issue throughout
YY: these are specific examples
SAZ: maybe need to scope the standards we are
considering
... rather than enumerate a different list each time
<yeliz> yes, I will do that
YY: not sure fully understand
... was not the scope of the symposium
SH: think understand the issue, will discuss the editors
DS: maybe be explicit about when the symposium
took place?
... to give a sense of time and currency
+1
YY: something specific changed?
DS: difficult to say but may change over time
... gives chronological order
YY: seems very relevant to all Notes
DS: yes, agree with that
[[Related Work]]
DS: list of references has no apparent order
... may need a specific order style
... maybe chronological or alphabetical
YY: agree, will add to issues list
DS: wonder about the choice of study to back the statement "disabled users experience many difficulties when they access the web"
YY: many studies, suggestions?
DS: most general one, maybe don't need a specific
assertion
... maybe the focus needs to be on contrasting challenges on the desktop
versus on the Web?
... could bypass the need to have references for such a generic statement
[[2.1 Mobile Technology and Accessibility]]
<dave> +1 to shadi
SAZ: observation that paragraph 1 seems to be
defining and scoping things that are relevant to the entire document
... may get lost there under "related work" and "mobile technology and
accessibility" headings
DS: maybe good to clarify that some features are easier to invoke and work with than others
YY: very difficult to find studies about usability of features
DS: maybe can say that there is less data
YY: say something about that earlier on
... but maybe too specific and not backed with scientific work
SAZ: not specific to mobile alone, also on the
desktop accessibility features may be easier or more difficult to use
... maybe can extrapolate experience from desktop and assume that is similar
on mobile?
... know that WAI-AGE literature review looked at easy of use of accessibility
features for older people
YY: can find references for desktop, there are several
[[2.2 Mobile Accessibility Guidelines]]
DS: maybe can separate out an "evaluation" sub-section?
[[2.3 Mobile Interaction Models]]
SAZ: focus on mobile phones only? tablets? laptops?
YY: can look at the MWBP definition though may be
a little outdated
... agree need to scope the term
SAZ: agree may be outdated
YY: need to separate from ubiquitous devices
<Zakim> dave, you wanted to comment on 2.3. para 3
DS: "Many studies show that small device users
benefit from haptic feedback [...] Similarly, haptic feedback is also used on
mobile devices in the form of vibro-tactile display"
... may need to be reworded for clarity
YY: agree
... can continue from section 3 next time