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<andrewhoppin> we'll be screensharing at: https://join.me/newamsterdam so feel free to join there any time
Jeanne: Meetings restructured
this past year, collecting ideas for topics
... Putting out an open call for speakers for egov
... January 21 Hong Kong time next meeting
... Expand our series on open data in the next few meetings
then look at additional topics
... Daniel Bennet leading the group on Social Networking
... Need a leader for Open Data group
<DanielBennett> aaoo is Daniel Bennett
Jeanne: WWW Conference 2013 Brazil looking for speakers
<DanielBennett> my id got in the way of my is(being)
<Jeanne_> Andrew Hoppins' screenshare http://join.me/newamsterdam
<Adrian> Second talk slides at http://www.reengineeringllc.com/A_Wiki_for_Executable_Open_Vocabulary_English_w3c_egov.pdf
<DanielBennett> fan of join.me
<Jeanne_> Andrew's slides are at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/f/f1/W3C_OpenSource_OpenData.pdf
andrewhoppin: Background - small
team in NYS working on Open Source platforms
... developing software open data for local and state
governments
... SAAS and Hosted Solutions delivered by Socrata(?)
... CKAN and Open Data Philly are existing platforms available
for local governments
... New platforms options DKAN, Open Government Platform (OGPL)
best of Drupal, best of CKAN
... Help to Publish, customize, store and manage data
... Data users to explore, collaborate, use, and extend data
& systems
... Open source matters - no lockin, security transparency,
open formats and standards, innovation, hosting options,
cost
<Jeanne_> andrewhoppin: The CKAN open source is available via http://ckan.org/
andrewhoppin: 2012 big year for
CKAN - significant use growth
... Data.gov to be CKAN +Drupal
... Why Drupal - open source, already used widely, hosting and
consulting support, large skilled user community
... New DKAN is Drupal-native CKAN
... DKAN - replicate CKAN in Drupal without Python
dependence
... DKAN benefits - extensible, rapid new development, mature
platform, broad support, cloud and local hosting options,
integrates DMS & CMS
... Data isn't static but both real-time changing and
augmentable
... participants (Senators), events, are all non-static
data
alexbyrnes: Alex Byrnes - lots of
Open Source development experiences...
... CKAN widely used as a CMS that understands meta-data
... CKAN plug-in features and federation options
... CKAN use case is Chicago Metropolitan Agency for Planning
(CMAP) Data Hub - central agency with constituent
agencies
... CKAN foundation standard for other system
... CKAN API benefits - federation, create new UIs on top of
API, open source
... Quibbles about CKAN API - Solr queries, Empty POST data
required for some calls, should be standalone project
... Better for CKAN to be an essential Open Data tool instead
of monolithic hub software
<Jeanne_> Andrew's slides are at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/f/f1/W3C_OpenSource_OpenData.pdf
andrewhoppin: We have close relationship with CKAN and provide feedback
<andrewhoppin> actually that was alexbyrnes saying that, but I concur :)
<aaron_c> Aaron Couch
aaron_c: Aaron Couch - DKAN deployed for city of Chicago
<alexbyrnes> not at all. it's a good point.
aaron_c: Found limitations with
CKAN that would be easily satisfied with Drupal
... Folks integrating CKAN with Drupal, with Wordpress... why
not replicate the features of CKAN using Drupal
<aaron_c> http://dkan.nuamsdev.com/
aaron_c: Live Demo of DKAN at http://dkan.nuamsdev.com/
<aaron_c> http://drupal.org/project/dkan
<aaron_c> http://demo.ckan.org/
aaron_c: Goal is DCAN feature
parity with CKAN
... DKAN has all of Drupals CMS, I18N, etc. features
... Example of how easy it is to publish a dataset using
DKAN
... DKAN API is mimicing the CKAN API as much as possible
... DKAN supports RDF and hopefully other microformats to be
"unlocked"
PhilA2: Want kind of demand and requests do you get from your DKAN users? What are your next steps? OLD?
aaron_c: We are focusing on DKAN
datastore api to make it compatible with CKAN and extending
Drupal support for schema.org microformats
... Metadata currently available in RDF, but need to focus on
more... moving quickly and will update egov wrt progress
PhilA2: CKAN, DKAN, schema.org
extension all of interest... metadata about datasets is
critical to being able to find datasets
... Talking with schema.org wrt vocabulary development to meet
needs of various stakeholders
aaron_c: Goal is consumer end-points for data being published out of DKAN including RDF, etc.
<andrewhoppin> DKAN is an open collaborative project on so we welcome any and all code contributions / patches / issue report / feature requests on drupal.org/project/DKAN
PhilA2: Do you mean microformat or microdata?
aaron_c: Microdata.
<DanielBennett> check your mute
<BartvanLeeuwen> skip my question
<Jeanne_> Thanks Bart.
<BartvanLeeuwen> Jeanne_, how does this relate to the opengovplatform ?
<PhilA2> +1 to andrewhoppin on modularity
andrewhoppin: Looking forward to CKAN, DKAN functionality being available as modular services rather than monolithic hubs
<PhilA2> The eGov IG mailing list is open to all
<PhilA2> Mailing list archives etc at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/
<BartvanLeeuwen> Jeanne_, thx
<Jeanne_> Adrian Walker's slides are at http://www.reengineeringllc.com/A_Wiki_for_Executable_Open_Vocabulary_English_w3c_egov.pdf
Adrian: Adrian Walker of
Reengineering LLC
... Smart connections: executable english apps to connect
non-tech people to OLD
... Smart connections: 400,000 dataset plus extraction tools
need applications to give meaning to data
... Wiki for contect - non-tech user writes business rules in
english, rules result in english results
... Wiki for content: vocabulary is open, no dictionary
maintenance, strict semantics via declarations, jargons &
terms supported
... Example of semantically linked DOE data
... Avoids the natural language query problem of users straying
off topic with their queries
... Addendum: Rules generated questions avoids the
natural....
... Natural-language based applications can be indexed by
Google and searched on
<DanielBennett> check your phone connection Bart
Adrian: Summary - non-technical users can write app to execute in their browsers to access and manipulate OLD, which are then accessible via search engines
<Gwyn_Sutherlin> +q
There is an overview paper at: www.reengineeringllc.com/A_Wiki_for_Business_Rules_in_Open_Vocabulary_Executable_English.pdf
Java client is available at: http://www.Reengineeringllc.com/iblclient1.Java
Adrian: WRT language choice, Google indexes whatever we write. whether in English or in Russian
??: What about a language that has no nouns and/or no numbers?
Adrian: Not a problem for his system, but may require a variation on the system specific to the unique characteristics of the language and its grammar
* who asked the language questions? sorry, bad with voices
<Gwyn_Sutherlin> gwyn
Adrian: Three types of Semantics - semantics of inference, semantics of data, semantics of ....
<DanielBennett> thanks to all the speakers
<Gwyn_Sutherlin> thanks, great talks
Jeanne: Thanks to all
<Adrian> Oops semantics of inference (not influence)
<Adrian> and semantics of English. Thanks.
@Adrian: thanks
<DanielBennett> yes, please help out. thanks Jeanne
<BartvanLeeuwen> ths Jeanne_
<BartvanLeeuwen> thx Jeanne_
<Jeanne_> Thanks to all of our speakers, participants, and to Brian and Phil for scribing and facilitating.