Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 01 October 2012

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András Micsik, Andy Seaborne, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Erik Wilde, Gavin Carothers, Henry Story, Kevin Page, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Raúl García Castro, Richard Cyganiak, Roger Menday, Ruben Verborgh, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Lafon
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Eric Prud'hommeaux
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13:57:57 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/01-ldp-irc

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13:57:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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13:58:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

13:58:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

13:58:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:02 <trackbot> Date: 01 October 2012
13:58:15 <gavinc> Zakim, who is here?

Gavin Carothers: Zakim, who is here?

13:58:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see +329331aaaa, +1.707.861.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +329331aaaa, +1.707.861.aabb

13:58:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben1, krp, Arnaud, svillata, nmihindu, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben1, krp, Arnaud, svillata, nmihindu, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro

13:58:22 <gavinc> Zakim, aabb is me

Gavin Carothers: Zakim, aabb is me

13:58:30 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it

13:58:58 <Ruben> zakim, aaaa is me

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, aaaa is me

13:58:58 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben; got it

13:59:15 <Ruben> zakim, mute me

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, mute me

13:59:15 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted

13:59:33 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

13:59:49 <svillata> Zakim, ??P4 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P4 is me

13:59:49 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

13:59:53 <Zakim> + +1.919.306.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.919.306.aacc

14:00:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:00:19 <SteveS> zakim, .aacc is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, .aacc is me

14:00:22 <Zakim> sorry, SteveS, I do not recognize a party named '.aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveS, I do not recognize a party named '.aacc'

14:00:22 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

14:00:27 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:00:35 <AndyS> zakim, [IPCaller] is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, [IPCaller] is me

14:00:36 <Zakim> + +1.408.996.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.408.996.aadd

14:00:39 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '[IPCaller]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '[IPCaller]'

14:00:40 <Zakim> + +1.510.206.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.206.aaee

14:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.510.698.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.698.aaff

14:00:57 <SteveS> zakim, 1.919.306.aacc is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, 1.919.306.aacc is me

14:01:01 <Zakim> sorry, SteveS, I do not recognize a party named '1.919.306.aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveS, I do not recognize a party named '1.919.306.aacc'

14:01:45 <Zakim> + +44.754.550.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.754.550.aagg

14:01:48 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?

Henry Story: zakim, who is here?

14:01:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, +1.919.306.aacc, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, +1.510.206.aaee, +1.510.698.aaff, +44.754.550.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, +1.919.306.aacc, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, +1.510.206.aaee, +1.510.698.aaff, +44.754.550.aagg

14:01:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see nmihindu, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see nmihindu, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro

14:02:07 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

14:02:09 <cygri> zakim, code?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, code?

14:02:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri

14:02:23 <dret> zakim, +1.510.206.aaee is me

Erik Wilde: zakim, +1.510.206.aaee is me

14:02:23 <Zakim> +dret; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dret; got it

14:02:24 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas

14:02:27 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

14:02:27 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

14:02:28 <bblfish> zakim, aaff is me

Henry Story: zakim, aaff is me

14:02:28 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish; got it

14:02:43 <bblfish> ( zakim is forgetful from time to time it seems )

Henry Story: ( zakim is forgetful from time to time it seems )

14:02:58 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

14:03:07 <SteveS> zakim, aacc is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, aacc is me

14:03:17 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

14:03:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:03:42 <rgarcia> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Raúl García Castro: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:03:42 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it

14:03:45 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24

14:03:48 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.324.aahh

14:04:04 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:05:11 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

14:05:59 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:05:59 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

14:06:02 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:06:02 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

14:07:20 <andras> zakim, who's here?

András Micsik: zakim, who's here?

14:07:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, SteveS, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, dret, bblfish, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, cygri, EricP, rgarcia, ??P24, Yves, Sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, SteveS, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, dret, bblfish, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, cygri, EricP, rgarcia, ??P24, Yves, Sandro,

14:07:24 <Zakim> ... MacTed (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... MacTed (muted)

14:07:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see andras, MacTed, rgarcia, cygri, nmihindu, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see andras, MacTed, rgarcia, cygri, nmihindu, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess,

14:07:24 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro

14:08:52 <ericP> scribenick: ericP

(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)

14:10:01 <andras> zakim, ??P24 may be andras

András Micsik: zakim, ??P24 may be andras

14:10:01 <Zakim> +andras; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +andras; got it

14:10:30 <bblfish> I think the TPAC form is a bit confusing and has problems

Henry Story: I think the TPAC form is a bit confusing and has problems

14:10:48 <Zakim> +??P32

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32

14:11:07 <bblfish> which page?

Henry Story: which page?

14:11:18 <krp> zakim, ??P32 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P32 is me

14:11:18 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

14:11:38 <bblfish> welcome :-)

Henry Story: welcome :-)

14:11:43 <rgarcia> I am rgarcia

Raúl García Castro: I am rgarcia

14:12:41 <rgarcia> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012May/0008.html

Raúl García Castro: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012May/0008.html

14:12:44 <ericP> sandro: we had a round of introductions at the beginning of the WG. we should point new members at that thread.

Sandro Hawke: we had a round of introductions at the beginning of the WG. we should point new members at that thread.

14:13:02 <SteveS> +1 to Sept 24 minutes

Steve Speicher: +1 to Sept 24 minutes

14:13:31 <ericP> PROPOSED: accept 24 Sept members

PROPOSED: accept 24 Sept minutes

14:13:35 <ericP> APPROVED

APPROVED

14:13:42 <ericP> topic: WG F2F

1. WG F2F

14:14:02 <ericP> Arnaud: we now have a really big room (25 attendees + 10 observers)

Arnaud Le Hors: we now have a really big room (25 attendees + 10 observers)

14:14:15 <Ashok_Malhotra> s/members/minutes/
14:14:42 <ericP> ... still a discrepency between those planning to attend (wiki) and those registered (wbs registration)

... still a discrepency between those planning to attend (wiki) and those registered (wbs registration)

14:14:50 <bblfish> speaking of TPAC there is a WebID & RWW community group now up on the agenda you can come to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/

Henry Story: speaking of TPAC there is a WebID & RWW community group now up on the agenda you can come to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/

14:14:51 <ericP> ... note that the rate goes up for later registration

... note that the rate goes up for later registration

14:15:15 <ericP> topic: Actions

2. Actions

14:15:22 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy?

14:15:33 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.408.996.aadd (23%), rgarcia (37%), EricP (4%)

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.408.996.aadd (23%), rgarcia (37%), EricP (4%)

14:16:26 <ericP> Arnaud: saw mail from Michael Hausenblas on ACTION-6: Review SDshare

Arnaud Le Hors: saw mail from Michael Hausenblas on ACTION-6: Review SDshare

14:16:31 <ericP> ... sounds like there's progress

... sounds like there's progress

14:16:59 <ericP> yves: progress on ACTION-14: Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread.

Yves Lafon: progress on ACTION-14: Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread.

14:17:44 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

14:18:04 <ericP> ... tracker should be able to re-scan the mail archives

... tracker should be able to re-scan the mail archives

14:18:10 <SteveBattle> zakim, ??P34 is me

Steve Battle: zakim, ??P34 is me

14:18:10 <Zakim> +SteveBattle; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveBattle; got it

14:19:12 <ericP> ericP: re: ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason

Eric Prud'hommeaux: re: ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason

14:19:25 <ericP> ... timbl said he wants us to write directly into /ns

... timbl said he wants us to write directly into /ns

14:19:31 <ericP> ACTION-16 CLOSED

ACTION-16 CLOSED

14:19:32 <trackbot> ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. closed

14:20:11 <MacTed> action-15?

Ted Thibodeau: ACTION-15?

14:20:11 <trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Andy Seaborne to provide usecase for Issue-2 -- due 2012-10-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-15 -- Andy Seaborne to provide usecase for ISSUE-2 -- due 2012-10-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

14:20:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/15

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/15

14:20:21 <bblfish> you can do close ACTION-16

Henry Story: you can do close ACTION-16

14:20:47 <bblfish> close ACTION-16

Henry Story: close ACTION-16

14:20:47 <trackbot> ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. closed

14:21:18 <SteveS> looks like I saw new words but haven't reviewed

Steve Speicher: looks like I saw new words but haven't reviewed

14:21:22 <ericP> AndyS, i've completed ACTION-15 Provide usecase for Issue-2

AndyS, i've completed ACTION-15 Provide usecase for ISSUE-2

14:21:26 <AndyS> close ACTION-15

Andy Seaborne: close ACTION-15

14:21:26 <trackbot> ACTION-15 Provide usecase for Issue-2 closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-15 Provide usecase for ISSUE-2 closed

14:21:27 <ericP> ACTION-15 CLOSED

ACTION-15 CLOSED

14:21:27 <trackbot> ACTION-15 Provide usecase for Issue-2 closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-15 Provide usecase for ISSUE-2 closed

14:21:57 <AndyS> steve(S|B) -- let me know if you want something different

Andy Seaborne: steve(S|B) -- let me know if you want something different

14:22:31 <ericP> topic: Issues

3. Issues

14:22:59 <ericP> Arnaud: re: ISSUE-7 What operations are permittered on containers and how do they get invoked?

Arnaud Le Hors: re: ISSUE-7 What operations are permittered on containers and how do they get invoked?

14:23:17 <ericP> SteveS: haven't looked at it in detail

Steve Speicher: haven't looked at it in detail

14:23:23 <ericP> ... does it mean HTTP verbs?

... does it mean HTTP verbs?

14:23:28 <ericP> AndyS: higher-level

Andy Seaborne: higher-level

14:23:38 <ericP> ... how do i create a container which isn't in another container

... how do i create a container which isn't in another container

14:23:47 <ericP> SteveS: wouldn't have parsed that from the issue

Steve Speicher: wouldn't have parsed that from the issue

14:24:02 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aaii

14:24:33 <ericP> ... sounds reasonable though

... sounds reasonable though

14:24:59 <ericP> ericP: AndyS, did you want this mean to be in-scope?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS, did you want this mean to be in-scope?

14:25:32 <nmihindu_> zakim, who's here?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, who's here?

14:25:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, SteveS, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, dret, bblfish, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, cygri, EricP, rgarcia, andras, Yves, Sandro,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, SteveS, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, dret, bblfish, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, cygri, EricP, rgarcia, andras, Yves, Sandro,

14:25:35 <Zakim> ... MacTed (muted), krp, SteveBattle, +44.208.573.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: ... MacTed (muted), krp, SteveBattle, +44.208.573.aaii

14:25:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see nmihindu_, andras, MacTed, rgarcia, cygri, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see nmihindu_, andras, MacTed, rgarcia, cygri, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess,

14:25:36 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro

14:25:54 <bblfish> is that not recursive? YOu always start with a root container, and then

Henry Story: is that not recursive? YOu always start with a root container, and then

14:26:15 <ericP> AndyS: there isn't sufficient info in the submission to e.g. initialize a container or create a container of containers

Andy Seaborne: there isn't sufficient info in the submission to e.g. initialize a container or create a container of containers

14:26:59 <ericP> erik, AtomPub tells you how to interact with containers but does not tell you how to create containers

erik, AtomPub tells you how to interact with containers but does not tell you how to create containers

14:27:04 <ericP> erik: AtomPub tells you how to interact with containers but does not tell you how to create containers

Erik Wilde: AtomPub tells you how to interact with containers but does not tell you how to create containers

14:27:27 <ericP> ... so there's a spec that does not define this sort of management

... so there's a spec that does not define this sort of management

14:27:54 <ericP> Arnaud: i see ample fodder for discussion of ISSUE-7

Arnaud Le Hors: i see ample fodder for discussion of ISSUE-7

14:27:59 <ericP> ISSUE-7 OPEN

ISSUE-7 OPEN

14:28:14 <bblfish> open ISSUE-7

Henry Story: open ISSUE-7

14:28:30 <AndyS> I hope that the UCR will highlight this more via the UC's

Andy Seaborne: I hope that the UCR will highlight this more via the UC's

14:29:18 <SteveBattle> noted :)

Steve Battle: noted :)

14:29:21 <ericP> Arnaud: re: UC&R, i was hesitant to ask you to look for this use case

Arnaud Le Hors: re: UC&R, i was hesitant to ask you to look for this use case

14:29:25 <MacTed> issue-7?

Ted Thibodeau: ISSUE-7?

14:29:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- What operations are permittered on containers and how do they get invoked? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-7 -- What operations are permittered on containers and how do they get invoked? -- open

14:29:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/7

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/7

14:29:37 <ericP> ... we can always do it later on. the text on the mailing list is sufficient

... we can always do it later on. the text on the mailing list is sufficient

14:29:51 <ericP> ... we can add it to the UC&R later

... we can add it to the UC&R later

14:30:00 <ericP> AndyS: there's something on the wiki so it won't get lost

Andy Seaborne: there's something on the wiki so it won't get lost

14:30:24 <ericP> Arnaud: re: ISSUE-8 Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology

Arnaud Le Hors: re: ISSUE-8 Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology

14:30:42 <ericP> ... does "basic profile" convey the right interpretation

... does "basic profile" convey the right interpretation

14:31:00 <Zakim> -dret

Zakim IRC Bot: -dret

14:31:06 <rgarcia> +1 to change name

Raúl García Castro: +1 to change name

14:31:17 <ericP> ... we have a member submission called "Basic Profile"

... we have a member submission called "Basic Profile"

14:31:21 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1 to change name

Ashok Malhotra: +1 to change name

14:31:23 <Zakim> +dret

Zakim IRC Bot: +dret

14:31:41 <bblfish> +1 to change name

Henry Story: +1 to change name

14:31:50 <SteveBattle> +

Steve Battle: +

14:32:01 <sandro> +1 "Linked Data Platform" was an ad hoc placeholder name -- we should look for ones that might be better.

Sandro Hawke: +1 "Linked Data Platform" was an ad hoc placeholder name -- we should look for ones that might be better.

14:32:12 <ericP> ... workshop attendees weren't keen on sussing out the best name. wanted to go ahead start the WG as LD Profile

... workshop attendees weren't keen on sussing out the best name. wanted to go ahead start the WG as LD Profile

14:32:23 <ericP> ... but "Profile" is indeed overloaded

... but "Profile" is indeed overloaded

14:32:24 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:32:33 <SteveBattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:33:05 <ericP> SteveS: did we discuss this last week during the ns discussion? thought we decided we'd use "platform"

Steve Speicher: did we discuss this last week during the ns discussion? thought we decided we'd use "platform"

14:33:23 <ericP> Arnaud: we decided on "ldp", which could mean "platform" or "profile"

Arnaud Le Hors: we decided on "ldp", which could mean "platform" or "profile"

14:33:34 <ericP> ... also the ns and the spec name needn't be the same

... also the ns and the spec name needn't be the same

14:33:35 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:33:41 <Arnaud> ack steve

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steve

14:34:18 <ericP> SteveBattle: what's the difference between a "Basic Profile" resource and a regular resource?

Steve Battle: what's the difference between a "Basic Profile" resource and a regular resource?

14:35:09 <ericP> SteveS: the intent of the member submssion is that BPRs can define their full state via RDF

Steve Speicher: the intent of the member submssion is that BPRs can define their full state via RDF

14:35:11 <SteveBattle> q-

Steve Battle: q-

14:35:33 <ericP> Arnaud: let's come back to this later, ideally today

Arnaud Le Hors: let's come back to this later, ideally today

14:36:21 <ericP> ISSUE-8 OPEN

ISSUE-8 OPEN

14:36:37 <ericP> topic: Use Cases and Requirements

4. Use Cases and Requirements

14:37:24 <ericP> Arnaud: Erik and I were looking for timelines from the editors

Arnaud Le Hors: Erik and I were looking for timelines from the editors

14:37:49 <ericP> ... mhausenblaus wants to step down as editor

... mhausenblaus wants to step down as editor

14:37:59 <bblfish> this page: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

Henry Story: this page: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

14:38:04 <ericP> SteveBattle: should have some text for folks next week

Steve Battle: should have some text for folks next week

14:38:17 <ericP> ... targeting Mon 29 Oct for a draft

... targeting Mon 29 Oct for a draft

14:38:31 <ericP> ... we've got 7 use cases, about 80% of the way through

... we've got 7 use cases, about 80% of the way through

14:38:48 <ericP> ... ... identifying use cases

... ... identifying use cases

14:39:11 <ericP> ... anyone who's co-editor should go ahead and hack the wiki

... anyone who's co-editor should go ahead and hack the wiki

14:40:35 <ericP> ... non-co-editors, please coordinate with me before editing the wiki (so we don't do redundant work)

... non-co-editors, please coordinate with me before editing the wiki (so we don't do redundant work)

14:41:18 <AndyS> The wiki has an RSS feed which is useful to track changes.

Andy Seaborne: The wiki has an RSS feed which is useful to track changes.

14:41:26 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:41:43 <ericP> ... i'll mail something later today to point people at the wiki headings

... i'll mail something later today to point people at the wiki headings

14:42:17 <ericP> ... i would like more editors

... i would like more editors

14:42:37 <ericP> Arnaud: any volunteers to co-edit UC&R?

Arnaud Le Hors: any volunteers to co-edit UC&R?

14:43:09 <bblfish> I'll be programming the next 3 weeks to implement ldp, so I'd like to concentrate on that. Will send feedback as I come across problems.

Henry Story: I'll be programming the next 3 weeks to implement ldp, so I'd like to concentrate on that. Will send feedback as I come across problems.

14:43:20 <ericP> SteveBattle: go ahead and mail the list if you want to add [and own?] a use case

Steve Battle: go ahead and mail the list if you want to add [and own?] a use case

14:43:49 <ericP> Arnaud: i want to clarify the timeline 'cause people don't want to re-re-review documents

Arnaud Le Hors: i want to clarify the timeline 'cause people don't want to re-re-review documents

14:44:25 <ericP> SteveBattle: i expect that in the future this will be about monitoring the issues list rather than reviewing documents

Steve Battle: i expect that in the future this will be about monitoring the issues list rather than reviewing documents

14:45:38 <ericP> Arnaud: so there will be text to review on 8 Oct

Arnaud Le Hors: so there will be text to review on 8 Oct

14:45:55 <ericP> SteveBattle: i expect that we'll be raising issues while writing the spec as well

Steve Battle: i expect that we'll be raising issues while writing the spec as well

14:46:59 <ericP> Arnaud: review 8-22 Oct, fixes 22-29 Oct, f2f 29 Oct

Arnaud Le Hors: review 8-22 Oct, fixes 22-29 Oct, f2f 29 Oct

14:47:19 <ericP> topic: F2F Agenda

5. F2F Agenda

14:48:15 <ericP> Arnaud: i expect to produce a more detailed agenda with time allocations (so we can manage time and give callers target times)

Arnaud Le Hors: i expect to produce a more detailed agenda with time allocations (so we can manage time and give callers target times)

14:49:02 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Agenda_.28draft.29 F2F Agenda

-> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Agenda_.28draft.29 F2F Agenda

14:49:22 <ericP> Arnaud: at some point we need to generate a test suite. should discuss this at the meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: at some point we need to generate a test suite. should discuss this at the meeting

14:49:49 <bblfish> +1 for discussing AccessControl at TPAC

Henry Story: +1 for discussing AccessControl at TPAC

14:49:56 <ericP> ... during chartering, we had folks saying strong "yes" and strong "no" about security/access control

... during chartering, we had folks saying strong "yes" and strong "no" about security/access control

14:50:45 <gavinc> WebID has a WG

Gavin Carothers: WebID has a WG

14:50:49 <ericP> ... bblfish has been discussing WebID. i think that's one of the techs folks will want to examine

... bblfish has been discussing WebID. i think that's one of the techs folks will want to examine

14:50:55 <bblfish> TPAC http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#WebID_and_RWWeb

Henry Story: TPAC http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#WebID_and_RWWeb

14:52:34 <Yves> wednesday is plenary day

Yves Lafon: wednesday is plenary day

14:54:27 <ericP> bblfish: on Wed 31 there are TPAC "Session Ideas", we can demo WebID so folks have some concrete idea of what it does

Henry Story: on Wed 31 there are TPAC "Session Ideas", we can demo WebID so folks have some concrete idea of what it does

14:55:17 <ericP> ericP: Sessions are usually breakouts which, iirc, are focused on technology areas rather than particular techs

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Sessions are usually breakouts which, iirc, are focused on technology areas rather than particular techs

14:55:52 <ericP> Arnaud: this f2f piggybacks on TPAC, but generally we need a host

Arnaud Le Hors: this f2f piggybacks on TPAC, but generally we need a host

14:57:14 <ericP> topic: ISSUE-8

6. ISSUE-8

14:57:21 <bblfish> Issue-8?

Henry Story: ISSUE-8?

14:57:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-8 -- Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-8 -- Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology -- open

14:57:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/8

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/8

14:57:32 <ericP> Arnaud: the spec uses the term "Basic Profile"

Arnaud Le Hors: the spec uses the term "Basic Profile"

14:57:47 <ericP> ... last week we decided the ns name would be "ldp"

... last week we decided the ns name would be "ldp"

14:58:06 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:58:06 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

14:58:10 <MacTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

14:58:23 <ericP> ... the spec is uses names like "basic profile resource", "basic profile container"

... the spec is uses names like "basic profile resource", "basic profile container"

14:58:24 <SteveS> I propose spec name "Linked Data Platform 1.0"

Steve Speicher: I propose spec name "Linked Data Platform 1.0"

14:58:36 <AndyS> When I hear it I ask myself "where are the other (non-basic)  profiles"

Andy Seaborne: When I hear it I ask myself "where are the other (non-basic) profiles"

14:58:38 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:58:45 <AndyS> +1 to SteveS

Andy Seaborne: +1 to SteveS

14:58:49 <gavinc> +1 to SteveS

Gavin Carothers: +1 to SteveS

14:58:55 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:58:56 <ericP> Ashok_Malhotra: a "profile" is typically a subset of a large spec space

Ashok Malhotra: a "profile" is typically a subset of a large spec space

14:59:10 <rgarcia> +1 to SteveS without version number

Raúl García Castro: +1 to SteveS without version number

14:59:16 <SteveS> can give explanation of why we came up with it, reasons are different than now

Steve Speicher: can give explanation of why we came up with it, reasons are different than now

14:59:26 <krp> +1 AndyS... profile implies to me that there are others (advanced, intermediate?!)

Kevin Page: +1 AndyS... profile implies to me that there are others (advanced, intermediate?!)

14:59:51 <ericP> i note that "profile" is defensible given that we have a lot of choices given HTTP and RDF

i note that "profile" is defensible given that we have a lot of choices given HTTP and RDF

14:59:59 <bblfish>  ldp: linked data protocol?

Henry Story: ldp: linked data protocol?

14:59:59 <Arnaud> ack macted

Arnaud Le Hors: ack macted

15:00:08 <ericP> MacTed: "basic" implies that there's a intermediate and an advanced

Ted Thibodeau: "basic" implies that there's a intermediate and an advanced

15:00:11 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:00:19 <ericP> ... that these are resources with particular characteristics

... that these are resources with particular characteristics

15:00:20 <gavinc> +q to make proposal

Gavin Carothers: +q to make proposal

15:00:23 <Yves> basic might imply simple

Yves Lafon: basic might imply simple

15:00:29 <Yves> not mandating an advanced version

Yves Lafon: not mandating an advanced version

15:01:06 <ericP> Arnaud: IBM had a lot of things we wanted to include but whittled them down to the "Basic Profiles" submssion

Arnaud Le Hors: IBM had a lot of things we wanted to include but whittled them down to the "Basic Profiles" submssion

15:01:15 <ericP> MacTed: does this list still exist

Ted Thibodeau: does this list still exist

15:01:29 <bblfish> ldp started out from http://open-services.net/

Henry Story: ldp started out from http://open-services.net/

15:01:31 <rgarcia> In that case, it sounds better "simple" than "basic", in the sense that we can have "Complex" specifications over this one

Raúl García Castro: In that case, it sounds better "simple" than "basic", in the sense that we can have "Complex" specifications over this one

15:01:51 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:01:59 <ericP> Arnaud: yep, at open http://open-services.net/

Arnaud Le Hors: yep, at open http://open-services.net/

15:02:00 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

15:02:20 <bblfish> what about Linked Data Protocol?

Henry Story: what about Linked Data Protocol?

15:02:29 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:02:43 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:02:53 <gavinc> PROPOSAL: Name recommendation "Linked Data Platform" with or without a version number

PROPOSED: Name recommendation "Linked Data Platform" with or without a version number

15:03:00 <ericP> bblfish: seems analogous to Atom Pub Protocol

Henry Story: seems analogous to Atom Pub Protocol

15:03:07 <SteveS> -1 I worry about overloading LDP even within our own WG

Steve Speicher: -1 I worry about overloading LDP even within our own WG

15:03:12 <roger> +1 to "Linked Data Protocol"

Roger Menday: +1 to "Linked Data Protocol"

15:03:34 <dret> liking protocol, but that has a very specific meaning in networking and REST communities

Erik Wilde: liking protocol, but that has a very specific meaning in networking and REST communities

15:03:50 <bblfish> but we do use GET, PUT, POST, DELETE ...

Henry Story: but we do use GET, PUT, POST, DELETE ...

15:03:57 <bblfish> ok

Henry Story: ok

15:04:37 <ericP> protocol? program? procedure? principle?

protocol? program? procedure? principle?

15:04:44 <bblfish> paradigm

Henry Story: paradigm

<Arnaud> Arnaud: We'll leave it at this for now, think about it and next week we'll try to resolve it.

Arnaud Le Hors: We'll leave it at this for now, think about it and next week we'll try to resolve it. [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

<Arnaud> MEETING ADJOURNED

Arnaud Le Hors: MEETING ADJOURNED

15:04:48 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

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15:04:58 <Zakim> -rgarcia

Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia

15:04:59 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

15:04:59 <Zakim> -Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves

15:05:00 <Zakim> - +44.208.573.aaii

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15:05:00 <Zakim> -cygri

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15:05:00 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

15:05:01 <Zakim> -gavinc

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15:05:02 <Zakim> -SteveS

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15:05:04 <Zakim> -dret

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15:05:06 <Zakim> - +44.754.550.aagg

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15:05:08 <Zakim> -Sandro

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15:05:10 <Zakim> -MacTed

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15:05:12 <Zakim> - +1.408.996.aadd

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15:05:14 <Zakim> -andras

Zakim IRC Bot: -andras

15:05:17 <Zakim> -Ruben

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15:05:18 <Zakim> -AndyS

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15:05:20 <Zakim> -krp

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15:05:20 <Arnaud> ack gavinc

Arnaud Le Hors: ack gavinc

15:05:22 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata

15:05:33 <gavinc> ack me

Gavin Carothers: ack me

15:10:16 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, SteveBattle, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, SteveBattle, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

15:10:17 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

15:10:17 <Zakim> Attendees were +329331aaaa, +1.707.861.aabb, gavinc, Ruben, svillata, +1.919.306.aacc, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, +1.510.698.aaff, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, dret, cygri,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +329331aaaa, +1.707.861.aabb, gavinc, Ruben, svillata, +1.919.306.aacc, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, +1.510.698.aaff, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, dret, cygri,

15:10:17 <Zakim> ... bblfish, EricP, SteveS, rgarcia, +1.617.324.aahh, Sandro, Yves, MacTed, andras, krp, SteveBattle, +44.208.573.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bblfish, EricP, SteveS, rgarcia, +1.617.324.aahh, Sandro, Yves, MacTed, andras, krp, SteveBattle, +44.208.573.aaii



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