HTML Techniques Task Force -- 17 Dec 2012

<scribe> scribe: jamesn

we are looking at example 3 according to the diff as this is the new part

LGR: Example 3 doesn't seem like 1.1.1
... A screen reader would read that every time focus hits

JN: It depends on the screen reader
... described is read automatically by some and some it says may need additional info

LGR: Maybe we should expand this technqiue to cover more than 1.1.1

<marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA

MJ: 3.3.2 seems to cover this
... If this was labelled as ARIA-6. If 111 and 332 referenced aria-6, woudl that be too confusing

LGR: there are examples which address multiple success criteria. Have to be very careful how you write the description
... It doesn't talk at all about how aria-describedby works. It assumers you know how it works.,
... I don't like this description much
... Have a feeling I commented this on an earlier survey

<Loretta> Argh! I'm having wireless problems again.

<Loretta> I tried dialing in from my desktop, but I think there is no mic.

<Loretta> I canhear you.

<Loretta> RIght.

<Loretta> I may try skype again.

<Loretta> Maybe I should try revising the description.

<Loretta> Sure.

<Loretta> ok

JN: group consensus seems to be that it is ok to edit anyone else's technqiue so long as you back it up with survey comments and good tracking
... LGR to update description

LGR: will try to make the technqique description more general so we can merge the describedby techqnieus

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labelledby_to_concatenate_a_label_from_several_text_nodes

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/results

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconcat

JN: Jons commetn in first survey

JG: Track 1 and Track 2 don't mean much. Wouldn't the time be more useful

LGR: The reason didn't put in the labelledby is that they are already the table headers

JG: swicth screen reader modes?

LGR: do you duplicate the header information in the text of each cell

JG: probably in forms mode.

LGR: If in table mode will probably be repeated
... we will have to add ids to the column header cells and add the time information

JN: part of what determines forms mode vs table mode is the amount of information in the table

LGR: whatever we put out could be used as the model

JN: concern as to how people misread technqiues - may have people looking at this as how you have to do this.
... changed example 3 based on JG commetns
... LGR comments on survey

<jongund> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#namecalculation

JN: seems to be 2 parts to the first comment. 1) the test description part, and 2) make sure the description covers what happens about seperators

LGR: This has been fixed

JN: I generally tell people to put it on (tabindex=-1)
... but should wait and talk to Cynthia

LGR: why isn't this 1.1.1

JN: added 1.1.1

Stefan's comments on survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results#xconcat not yet addressed

Scribe.perl diagnostic output

[Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.]

This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.137  of Date: 2012/09/20 20:19:01  
Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/

Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)

Found Scribe: jamesn
Inferring ScribeNick: jamesn

WARNING: No "Topic:" lines found.

Default Present: James_Nurthen, Loretta, Marc_Johlic, Jon_Gunderson, Adam, [IPcaller]
Present: James_Nurthen Loretta Marc_Johlic Jon_Gunderson Adam [IPcaller]

WARNING: No meeting chair found!
You should specify the meeting chair like this:
<dbooth> Chair: dbooth

Got date from IRC log name: 17 Dec 2012
Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-html-techs-tf-minutes.html
People with action items: 

WARNING: No "Topic: ..." lines found!  
Resulting HTML may have an empty (invalid) <ol>...</ol>.

Explanation: "Topic: ..." lines are used to indicate the start of 
new discussion topics or agenda items, such as:
<dbooth> Topic: Review of Amy's report

[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]

- DRAFT -

HTML Techniques Task Force

17 Dec 2012

Attendees

Contents

Summary of Action Items

Scribe.perl diagnostic output