<trackbot> Date: 13 December 2012

<davidb> "The conference is restricted at this time"

<davidb> worth a try

davidb, I'm following this

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/Teleconference_cheat_sheet

<davidb> ping MichaelC_

MichaelC_ are you there?

invite zakim #aapi

davidb, I have this from an email from a W3C admin "The Zakim request has been completed in the system. The details are not populating to the meetings calendar page, but the can be found below. And the first meeting will be Thursday Dec. 13, 2012 (this week). I deleted the previous meeting going forward after today's meeting."

<davidb> hmm maybe time zone miscomm?

<davidb> the best case scenario is no meeting today!

<davidb> hello out there!

<davidb> I will be famous foreveh!

here is more info from that email. Looks fairly normal. Let me check something else. WAI_PFWG(AAPI)

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/

Thursdays http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11&day=20&year=2012&hour=19&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 1:00pm-2:00pm Boston local)

Zakim Bridge tel:+1.617.761.6200, conference 2274 ("AAPI")

trackbot, associate this channel with #pf

<trackbot> Associating this channel with #pf...

well, we have minutes, but we can't talk to one another … do we have to?

that is, what can we do without talking?

btw, cynthia cannot make it, so I was planning to clear up any FF issues, davidb.

<davidb> ok well i'm working away here otherwise… so no harm

davidb, one of the commands to entier is "/invite zakim #aapi". I've done that repeatedly, but there is no response either in terms of success nor failure.

I'm going to drop into #uawg to see if there is anything there...

<davidb> alrighty

"uawg" looks suspiciously like user agent working group.

of course not.

davidb, just tried dialing in with both the aapi and the uawg passcodes, and I get the same restricted bit.

tlr, jeanne, which conference are you attending?

might be. I'm guilty of doing that.

<jeanne> User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group

I don't know how to give it back...

<tlr> jeanne, you can just pull it back

sorry, thought it was our conference.

<jeanne> what's the syntax to move it back?

davidb, I don't think zakim was properly configured for our meeting. I'll have to contact Michael via email to ask him what happened,

<davidb> sounds right

I don't see a "AAPI" conference in that list above. do you?

<davidb> nope

well, do you want to talk by skype? and we can get something done?

<davidb> sure

scrtibenick: clown

regrets Cynthia

Issues and Actions

https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10

issue-486?

<trackbot> ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486

<scribe> ACTION: joseph to ask the PFWG on the Mon call, what issue-486 is all about. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1136 - Ask the PFWG on the Mon call, what issue-486 is all about. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2012-12-20].

issue-543?

<trackbot> ISSUE-543 -- Mapping of aria-disabled='true' not correct for ATK/AT-SPI -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/543

resolved: ISSUE-543 — there is no UNAVAILABLE state in AT-SPI. The UAIG is correct with respect to aria-disabled and ATSP. No change needed.

<davidb> \o/

issue-456?

<trackbot> ISSUE-456 -- Forward compatibility and overlap between abstract roles and patterns -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/456

resolved: ISSUE-456 — moved to ARIA 2.0

<davidb> \o/

action-248?

<trackbot> ACTION-248 -- David Bolter to [ARIA 2.0] Provide a technique if available to ensure an AT can modify a state or property without a page reload -- due 2010-01-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/248

resolved: Move due date of ACTION-248 to Aug 2013 as this is an ARIA 2.0 issue.

action-983?

<trackbot> ACTION-983 -- David Bolter to create MSAA/IA2 special case test cases from existing generated test cases for the tables. -- due 2012-03-14 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/983

<scribe> ACTION: Joseph to ask PFWG at Mon meeting for details concerning ACTION-983. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/13-aapi-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1137 - Ask PFWG at Mon meeting for details concerning ACTION-983. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2012-12-20].

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#AT-SPI_States_and_Properties

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#AT-SPI_Special_Case_Testable_Statements

close action-1137

<trackbot> ACTION-1137 Ask PFWG at Mon meeting for details concerning ACTION-983. closed

discussion between David and Joseph about what acion-1137 is about. David will start working on it — special case testable statement for MSAA/IA2

action-1102?

<trackbot> ACTION-1102 -- David Bolter to get someone to look at the SHOULD statements in the Role Mapping table. Can these be changed from "SHOULD be exposed" to "expose as" -- due 2012-07-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1102

david: i will look into this next week.
... we should get Cynthia to confirm after I've done my analysis.

<davidb> I also want to run something by Alex

joseph: okay, we've run out of time.
... we at least got through the issues and actions that relate to FF, IA2, MSAA and/or ATSPI.
... let's meet againg next Thursday because after that is the holiday break.

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Regrets: Cynthia
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Found Date: 13 Dec 2012
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