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<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/

<scribe> scribe: Detlev

Meeting next Monday will be the last until Mo 7. January 2013

+ Survey for today:

<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/

<Loretta> Sorry - my wireless is going flaky on me...

Detlev: note on using tabindex use into user agent notes,?

James: leave one example in with a clear explanation why it'd there
... the example can be changed by putting the id on the anchor instead of the span

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose

<scribe> ACTION: reworl example 2 of aria-sdescribedby for link purpose according to the discussion section of the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: Detlev add explanation in the text why tabindex+-1 is being used here [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action02]

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Talk:Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose

James will take it up to Microsoft to check whether the bug will be fixed soon

James: problem is that any time you have multime references in aria-labelledby you need to make sure that all elements referenced are in the a11y tree (by adding tabindex=-1)

<jamesn> ACTION: James to talk to Cynthia in order to determine the status of tabindex -1 and whether it is necessary when using describedby and labelledby in IE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: Josh will ping Steve Falukner to get his view on the issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action04]

James: it's referenced in the MS documentation

<jamesn> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg701963%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#Making_Nonaccessible_Elements_Accessible

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose

James: ARIA implementation user agent guide states that any elements referenced must be pulled into the accessibility tree - so MS shoud be told about it

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby

Reference to longdesc in second paragraph in Description is a bit confusing

Josh: focuong on the added value of longdesc - external URI

<scribe> ACTION: Josh will edit this text [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action05]

Discussion will be moved to next week

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results

The state of current WCAG advise relating to long descriptors and approaches such as using @longdesc and/or ARIA etc came up on the HTML5 a11y list. Discuss.

Josh: discussion of long descriptions, example proposed by Jams Craig
... some of this may be turned onto a technique

<jongund> I have to go to another call

<Joshue108> http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/

<jamesn> http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/

Josh> suggests to look at the examples and see whether we can turn this into techniques

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