<Joshue108> [NOTE]; We have temporarily adjourned to the HTML5 meeting (Rhone floor) - to highlight our work and generate interest. We have also added WCAG HTML5 techniques to the HTML5 agenda.

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA

<Joshue108> Scribenick: Jason Kiss

Introductions

<jkiss> Joshue: we'll look at how to write techniques

Overview

<jkiss> Joshue: mandate to do html5 and aria techniques

<jkiss> …almost a year working on it

<jkiss> …html5 in flux early on so focus more on aria

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/HTML5

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA

<jkiss> Joshue: focus still on aria today, but html5 getting much steadier

<jkiss> Michael: html5 getting close to CR, and spec could lose unimplemented features, and incorporate implemented extension specs

<jkiss> …aria features are stable unless we abandon CR and return to WD, so is pretty stable

<jkiss> …propose that html5 be urgent focus for this task force

<jkiss> …want to document html5 a11y

<jkiss> …provide techniques around use cases in html5

<jkiss> Joshue: standard format for individual techniques

<jkiss> …initial technique can be relatively loose and get tidied up when go to wider WG

<jkiss> …techniques in list that are not linked have not been completed

<jkiss> …some techniques have names beside them, but not too prevent others from working on them

<jkiss> …26 to 27 aria techniques finished or in progress

<jkiss> Joshue: if one not as familiar with aria, can work on html5 techniques

<jkiss> …very few html5 techniques completed or being worked on

<jkiss> …8 html5 techniques pretty much completed

<jkiss> Leonie: have added two new aria techniques to work on - using aria-label and aria-labelled for SC 1.1.1

<jkiss> …I can also do third one in that set, using @title

<jkiss> Joshue: there are other tricky ones we should get to as well, avail. for someone who wants a challenge

<jkiss> David: I don't see that many aria techniques that aren't done

<jkiss> …only about six

<jkiss> Joshue: we should do gap analysis and determine what's left

Techniques Gap Analysis

<jkiss> Joshue: what are really complicated ones, and what low-hanging fruit?

<jkiss> …David, what techniques do think should be addressed first?

<jkiss> David: I just see that we are close to finished

<jkiss> …All WCAG SC are listed, but not every one has associated techniques identified, and techniques that are listed are mostly done

<jkiss> Joshue: There are probably more techniques for SC that we need to add

<jkiss> Leonie: Isn't technique for using @title for SC 1.1.1 an HTML technique, and not aria

<jkiss> Joshue: good point. Suggest ping James Nurthen to find out why it was listed there

<jkiss> David: we just listed all SC, and then proposed techniques where we saw them, and these are mostly done

<jkiss> …right now Canada and Australia require that techniques be used for establishing a11y, and if no techniques, can't claim conformance, so we need to get these techniques out asap

<jkiss> Joshue: we can start releasing a few at a time as soon as we can and push them out as we finish them

<jkiss> Michael: Agree-lots of value to doing three to five a week to not overwhelm WG

<jkiss> …would be better for the public. Should expect some bounce backs first few submitted techniques, but eventually have them go through more quickly

<jkiss> Michael: need to agree which ones we are going to push out first

<jkiss> Joshue: I defer to Michael on process and how to move

<jkiss> …We need to produce, regardless of any pushback, to show that we are working and producing

<jkiss> Michael: three options. One, flag techniques that are ready to go and set ready for review status in wiki.

<jkiss> …Two, create action items for clean up by those people assigned, and monitor activity and follow up

<jkiss> …Three, create a separate todo list of techniques to work on

<jkiss> Joshue: propose we annotate current list of techniques with status

<jkiss> Michael: When techniques are surveyed in WBS, include link to survey in status of that technique

<jkiss> Joshue: let's use F2F to assess and annotate the techniques

<jkiss> …Leonie's first three techniques for 1.1.1 need more info

<jkiss> Leonie: do we need more consistent UA preferences identified?

<jkiss> Michael: trying to work out appropriate flags

<jkiss> Joshue: there's "needs info", "complete", what else?

<jkiss> Michael: "ready for review [complete]"

<jkiss> …that's the one WCAG chair will search on

<jkiss> …then there's "techniques accepted" -- would be set by WG, then we could remove from our list

<jkiss> …"techniques in development" should always be used until ready for review

<jkiss> David: Leonie, are you rewriting these techniques?

<jkiss> Leonie: No, they weren't done.

<jkiss> Michael: "migrated" means been moved after approved

<MichaelC> Technique status categories

<jkiss> Michael: might need one more status flag not listed, "Techniques Needs Edits"

<jkiss> …now added

<jkiss> Joshue: for Leonie's SC 1.1.1 techniques, set flag "in development"

<jkiss> Jason: need to correct spelling on aria-labeledby -> aria-labelledby

<jkiss> Michael: at top of each technique, add Category tags

<jkiss> …can have multiple Category tags

<jkiss> …under "Status" add human-readable account of flags and any work done

<jkiss> …if "Techniques Needs Edits", after edits are made, remove that tag but leave the "in development" tag

<jkiss> David: Can we add "ready for review" at top of those are ready?

<jkiss> Michael: let's work through them as a group, one by one

<jkiss> …need someone to maintain index page while I edit flags on techniques

<jkiss> David: I'll do it

<jkiss> Joshue: trying to find survey for any given technique and feedback

<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/closed

<jkiss> Leonie: are we putting a link to the survey at the top of each technique?

<jkiss> Joshue: Yes

<jkiss> Jonas: where do you get the survey feedback from

<jkiss> Michael: it goes out to WCAG WG who provides comments and discusses at WG meetings and return comments

<jkiss> Jonas: no automated way to link technique with its feedback/survey?

<jkiss> Michael: No

<jkiss> Joshue: That's what we'll do now.

<jkiss> …Based on who's here, let's decide on what techniques to look at

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby

<jkiss> …David's aria-describedby technique

<jkiss> …is pretty much good to go. Let's change the status of all of David's techniques to ready for review and fix them as feedback from WG comes in

<jkiss> Michael: so we are changing status from "techniques in development" to "techniques ready for review"

<jkiss> Joshue: Aria landmarks techniques ready to go

<jkiss> …"Headings using role=heading" given to Léonie

<jkiss> …Jon Gunderson's techniques about ready to go

<jkiss> Joshue: Shadi's just joined us. Welcome Shadi.

<jkiss> Michael: just adding common tags to all techniques. Almost done, then can add "ready to review" flag to those that need it.

<jkiss> Joshue: Shadi, we've made progress on aria techniques, about 28, and just now identifying those that are ready for review

<jkiss> Shadi: how do you determine accessibility support for each technique

<jkiss> Joshue: based on AT and UAs available to the author

<jkiss> Shadi: Michael, have you introduced a11y supported database?

<jkiss> …WAI putting together database of a11y support for WCAG techniques

<jkiss> …is funded by European Commission

<jkiss> …would that be useful to work of this TF?

<jkiss> Joshue: Yes.

<jkiss> Working session rest of meeting: tagging and establishing status of individual techniques

<jkiss> Correction: techniques surveys went out to the techniques TF, not the WCAG WG. Next step is to send completed techniques to WG for review and feedback.

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_role_attribute_to_expose_the_role_of_a_user_interface_component

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_WAI-ARIA_state_and_property_attributes_to_expose_the_state_of_a_user_interface_component#Applicability

<David_MacD_Lenovo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/htmltechs20121005/results#xtree

<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_WAI-ARIA_aria-expanded_state_in_a_tree_widget

<MichaelC> Nobody answered this survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/html-techsjuly_23rd/results

<MichaelC> Techniques Instructions

<MichaelC> Technique Template

<jkiss> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview.html

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Present: David_MacDonald Jonas_Jacek Leonie_Watson Jason_Kiss Joshue_O_Connor
Agenda: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Meetings/TPAC2012
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