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Test the Web Forward, past, present and future
we'll go over what has happened and gather feedback on future steps
<lmclister> present Larry McLister
present Israel Noto - Adobe
- bring comunity together
- recruit into the standards testing comunity
- teach how to write tests and file bugs
- add to w3c test suites
- keep community engaged throughout the year
We have had 3 events in 2012
SF - june
Beijing - October
Paris - October
SF: 90 people, 90 tests
Beijing: 150 people, 115 test written
Paris: 160 people, 400 tests written
We would like to see more people and more bugs.
Proposed next steps:
- large events in quarterly basis
- smaller and frequent meetups
meetups are focused events
- will create a kit to facilitate create your own event
- find ways to improve testing infrastructure
(tutorials, videos, testing tools, website, etc. )
Philip: if you want to do the even in Boston, W3C/MIT can donate the room for free
Next Selenium conference is in Boston
Possible candidate cities for next events:
Sydney, Tokyo, Delhi (W3C India expressed interest), China (TPAC)
Philip: next F2F in Sillicon Valley
Call to ACTION:
<krisk> slide deck -> http://adobe.github.com/web-platform/presentations/testtwf-tpac2012/#/
- more people organize events. big or small events
- help promote event
- get more experts to attend to the event
- there are other ways to participate (donate meeting rooms, sponsorship, give away schwag, etc)
How can we increase attendace?
What is the synergy between WebPlat.org and TestTWF?
We'll discuss in a sec
You could look the groups that exist already in the places.
International test the web forward day
get it on people calendars
We video streamed the event in SF
If organized in advance, W3C could sponsor local events
suggesting bottom up events.
check out groups on meetup.com.
meetings will be small but numerous.
Will need Experts to attend meetups
Ideas for topics?
Chris: use current infrastructure that people knows how to use to keep people engaged
suggesting to read + write spec
suggesting any of the current specs
Wilhem suggests to form teams that can join efforts and complement each other
James G suggests: have a list of tests that need to write, structure the meetup to create a pre-established a series of tests
suggesting to create a template to create tests
Arthur: extract the 'testable' section in the specs
suggesting to improve the testing infrastructure in general
suggesting to have a server that tracks all the test cases that have been created
Chris: it would be great to have a consistent mechanism across working groups
Peter: CSSWG has this mechanism. Called Sheppard
Should TestTWF become part of the community efforts under Webplatform.org?
Chris: current W3C not looking very good. Terrible marketing. Should be the central repository for All W3C tests
Arthur: answer to the question. Yes, absolutely.
<AnssiK> perhaps http://w3c-test.org/framework/app/suite should be more visible on webplatform.org
David: no brainer
Should we associate big TestTWF events with W3C events or separate them?
are there any other big events that we should tag onto?
David: WWW conference
Eurostar happening in amsterdam, eastern europe
Selenium conference gather 2-300 people
Arthur: WWW conferences are pretty academic. Not sure if it would work well.
David: that might not be a bad thing because you get students to write tests
other conferences: iqnite, gtac, cast, star east, star west
Selenium user groups, Agile user groups that focus in testing
any other suggestions
we want to write better tests
Simon: feel free to reach out, we can help
David: what's the process to review test cases
Alan: test cases are reviewed during the event
David: there is a risk that test cases cause false positives
Alan: yes, some test cases are not that useful but writting test cases keeps the comunity engaged
Chris: concerned that some of the test case creators will never be seen again. What happens if you need to contact them?
Alan: call to action
- organize your own event
- help promote and evangelize
- travel to the events
<krisk> Thanks for setting up and getting 'test the web forward' rolling!!!
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