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<trackbot> Date: 09 October 2012
<scribe> ScribeNick: adrianba
<scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
<paulc> waves
paulc: done
http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-html-media-minutes.html
paulc: didn't see any comments on the minutes
paulc: none assigned to MSE work
paulc: wg meeting thur/fri nov
1/2 in lyon, france
... same place as November 2010
... confirmed we have the same two meeting rooms we had 2 years
ago
... i want to confirm that the people on the call are okay with
the general plan
... that MSE and EME experts meet for 90mins to 2 hours at
TPAC
... having talked to some of the editors about this i want to
suggest that we meet on thursday
... so that the editors can meet afterwards to discuss how to
take actions as a result of the meeting
... and the goal would be to have enough discussion at TPAC to
make sure we can do a CfC for a FPWD immediately after
TPAC
... we want to make sure we have the general discussion for
both specs in the right direction
... so that the group will be happy to go to FPWD
... this doesn't mean every bug closed
... but it means the scope and direction is well
understood
... comments?
... chairs will build a wiki site for unconference meeting
requests so my proposal is to request 90-120 mins for each of
the media specs
... in the past the HTML WG meeting session discusses the ideas
at 9am on the first day
... and the group discusses which to talk about
pal: will there be a conference bridge?
paulc: the rooms will have a
bridge so we'll see if that is feasible
... i want to warn you that there are 44 members and 40+
observers registered and the room is pretty large and even with
the phone in the middle of the room it's not clear how audible
to the meeting would be
<pal> thanks
matt: when will we know what the agenda will be for that thursday?
paulc: at 9.30am on thursday
matt: so we should come in at 9am to show our support of the topics
paulc: yes
... this is the model that we've done before and it worked
well
... we have one coordination request already so sometimes the
chairs anchor the coordination requests when they involve
another WG
... but the rest of the sessions are determined by
unconference
matt: i suspect that some people will be in other meetings too
paulc: the agenda will be set at 9am on thursday
paulc: aaron had produced a draft
on oct 1 that resolved 5 bugs and then on oct 8 that resolved 5
more
... not planning to go through the list of bugs
specifically
... acknowledge that you made progress by cutting the bugs by
1/3
... do you have anything specific to highlight?
acolwell: most are clarifications
<paulc> Latest update news is in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0024.html
acolwell: seeking doesn't set
things back into open so that you seeking doesn't require you
to call endstream
... you weren't allowed to call append in the ended state - now
it will transition to open and allow the append to happen
... for example if the app determined it had some higher
quality data it could append that
paulc: there are currently 19
bugs outstanding
... most listed under agenda 6 and 7
... i'd like to propose that we handle the next agenda item as
follows
... looking at the bugs, some of them i'd characterise as
"hard" that we've been carrying for a few weeks
... i haven't seen any significant progress on the bugs in
agenda 6
... high level question is how to get ready for TPAC
sessions
... especially for work items assigned to editors or others in
the group
acolwell: a bunch of things in
section 6 are new features and have lower priority for me
because trying to focus on clarifying existing behaviour before
adding new stuff
... that's why these haven't made as much progress
... have started on remove because i think others can be
specified using the remove method
... the TS one is one that I need to continue to read the
specs
paulc: remove is bug 18709
... TS is bug 17094
adrianba: i'd like to propose
that
... the editors meet to triage the current bugs
... and figure out the status and next action of each
... so that in two weeks we can work on the TPAC agenda
... and let people know to come to TPAC prepared to discuss
concrete issues
... and make actual progress on the things that have been
blocked
acolwell: that sounds good to me
paulc: i had mail from mark about bug 18962 - allow appending with xhr
markw: i wanted to point out that
there is some work in webapps
... that is about adding a stream response to XHR
... which allows the app to lazily access data received
... so we should discuss if that might be a solution for this
bug
... and if so coordinate with webapps on this to make sure it
addresses the requirements we have
paulc: webapps meet on mon/tue - will you be there?
markw: i might need to go to Web & TV but will shuttle between them
<matt> adrianba: The discussion in Web Apps is partly about the proposal that MS made for stream support for XHR.
<matt> adrianba: The broader discussion is about whether that's a good solution for this or if there's a need for something else. This was mostly in the context of understanding what support there would be for chunked HTTP.
<matt> adrianba: I think the current proposal is to add at least the receive part of the MS proposal. That's the last I saw, not sure if anything specific changed in the last few days.
paulc: mark does that help?
markw: yes
paulc: other bug on action 6 and
7 is bug 17002
... this is SourceID to .id mapping
... i asked about the status in the other media group
... aaron followed up with some questions
... and that thread is continuing
<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0026.html
paulc: i think i'm going to skip to agenda 9 - any other business
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18666
adrianba: this is HTMLMediaElement.seekable
acolwell: all seekable does is to
be from 0 to the duration
... so in the case of live, the duration would be positive
infinity
... wait, let me look at the text
... in a live stream what will happen is if the duration is set
to something other that +inf then seekable will be zero to the
duration
... otherwise it will be zero to the highest time in the source
buffer
... then the seekable will be set to the highest of what is in
the buffer
... so you can only seek to what is in the buffer
adrianba: does that mean that the seekable range will grow as the data is being buffered, say from a URL
acolwell: yes
adrianba: that answers my question
paulc: are thinking of reopening this?
adrianba: i don't expect to reopen this - solution sounds good
pal: question on process - if i have some minor questions on the spec - how should i ask them?
paulc: depending on how many you
have, you might consider sending mail to the list with the list
of questions
... sometimes if the questions are complicated it might make
sense to put one per email
... then you can put the question in the subject
... or you could open a bug
... my preference is option 2
pal: thank you
paulc: i think option 2 is the
best approach - you might get an answer to the first before you
asked the second
... any other business?
paulc: i will chair, any
volunteers for scribe?
... not hearing any one
... major item of discussion for next meeting will be the
triage from the editors and preparing for the TPAC meeting
paulc: bye everyone
<strobe> thanks
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