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<trackbot> Date: 27 September 2012
invite zakim, #tt
<scribe> scribe: mmartin3
mmartin3: No meeting Sept 21.
<plh> action-85?
<trackbot> ACTION-85 -- Glenn Adams to update Simple Online Delivery Profile Abstract Section -- due 2012-08-23 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/85
<plh> Monica: the proposal has been integrated in the profile spec
glenn changed here http://www.w3.org/mid/CACQ%253Dj%252Bcfz4xO4%253D3rmm4Dd1nEMgajiwHK1Aay5Vy15duYif%253DDnA%2540mail.gmail.com
<plh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#abstract
<plh> Resolved: change is approved.
<plh> close action-85
<trackbot> ACTION-85 Update Simple Online Delivery Profile Abstract Section closed
<plh> action-96?
<trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Glenn Adams to add reference in Section 3.2.1 to Close Issue-177. -- due 2012-09-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/96
phone dropped
<plh> Resolved: reference has been added
<plh> close action-96
<trackbot> ACTION-96 Add reference in Section 3.2.1 to Close Issue-177. closed
<plh> Mike: what's the resolution for issue-177?
<plh> Monica: we added a statement in ttml 1.0
<plh> ... not sure if it was added into the spec
<plh> ... it's missing
<plh> plh: I reopened action-96
<plh> action-97?
<trackbot> ACTION-97 -- Glenn Adams to add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance. -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/97
<plh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#constraints-10
<plh> Mike: yep, it's there: "If a specific fontSize is not supported, then, follow the semantics for a presentation processor defined in [TTML10], Section 8.2.9."
<plh> close action-97
<trackbot> ACTION-97 Add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance. closed
<plh> action-100?
<trackbot> ACTION-100 -- Glenn Adams to implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD. -- due 2012-09-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/100
<plh> Monica: I'm happy with the changes
<plh> Mike: last meeting, we needed further clarification. did we create the actions?
<plh> Monica: yes, I believe
<plh> action-103?
<trackbot> ACTION-103 -- Glenn Adams to delete R0020 and add introductory text about these styles with descriptions for Section 6.4.2. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/103
<plh> action-102?
<trackbot> ACTION-102 -- Glenn Adams to make changes in Section 8.1.2 as specified http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0040.html -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/102
<plh> action-98?
<trackbot> ACTION-98 -- Monica Martin to revise proposal Section 7.1.1 on Active Regions -- due 2012-09-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/98
<plh> action-104?
<trackbot> ACTION-104 -- Sean Hayes to investigate how this is handled in TTML 1.0. re: Issue-180 on values inside the root container. -- due 2012-09-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/104
<plh> action-105?
<trackbot> ACTION-105 -- Mike Dolan to propose requirement to constrain to the root container in SDP-US (see Action-104 and Issue-180). -- due 2012-09-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/105
<plh> close action-100
<trackbot> ACTION-100 Implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD. closed
<plh> action-101?
<trackbot> ACTION-101 -- Glenn Adams to revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/101
<plh> Plh: Glenn needs clarification
<plh> Monica: I'll follow up with him
<plh> action-103?
<trackbot> ACTION-103 -- Glenn Adams to delete R0020 and add introductory text about these styles with descriptions for Section 6.4.2. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/103
<plh> Monica: r0020 indicated that a processor must support popup but that's not part of ttml 1.0
<plh> ... we deleted the requirement
<plh> ... we added a description on how the text display instead
<plh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#constraints-8
<plh> Mike: there was a normative requirement for rollup region but there is no way for the processor to know that.
<plh> ... it appears it has been addressed
<plh> Pierre: John Birch raised a question for support paint on and roll on
<plh> ... he seems to have an opinion on it
<plh> ... hoping to have his thoughts on this
<plh> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0067.html John's message
<plh> Pierre: I don't think there is anyway for the device to know what's the region is
<plh> ... it's all emulated
<plh> ... using a sequence of sets
<plh> Monica: one option is to describe that the way the text is displayed is supported in a descriptive way
<plh> ... it may understand the flow of the text
<plh> Pierre: looking at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#examples
<plh> ... is it equivalent to a roll-up style?
<plh> Monica: yes, we have examples in the spec
<plh> Pierre: so one can emulate roll-up using ttml 1.0 features?
<plh> Monica: yes
You can emulate.
<plh> Courtney: is there a way to animate the roll-up?
<plh> Mike: in the roll-up example, it's a whole series of floated text, without an animation
mike: Confusion about animating these three types.
<plh> ... this needs some general clarification
<plh> ... in TTML 1.0
<plh> ... looking at example 5, I don't see how that scrolls at all
<plh> Pierre: we'll need to discuss this further
pal: Leave open to clarify.
mike: Regions do not scroll.
<plh> plh: let's revisit this next week with Sean around?
<Frans> Have to leave as announced - thank you.
Mike: Do we need a statement on emulating by the author.
<plh> Mike: the original issue is resolved, but there is a more general concern whether roll-up works and if there is a general processor requirement. there should be a sentence indicating that this is emulating by the author
<plh> action-89?
<trackbot> ACTION-89 -- Glenn Adams to add TTML 1.0 Second Edition reference. -- due 2012-09-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/89
<plh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html#references
<plh> Monica: peharps we should consider referencing ttml 1.0 normative and reference the second edition as informative
plh: SDP is for a Working Group Note.
mike: SDP note will mention an
unapproved second edition.
... Process to advance Second Edition?
plh: If changes not substantive, no Last Call is needed.
Mike: We need to resolve Second Edition question next week and resolve in SDP then.
Leave Action open.
plh: Leave Action open.
<plh> issue-181?
<trackbot> ISSUE-181 -- Background color and color have "named colors" but should be expressed in #rrggbbaa format only. -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/181
<plh> Monica: question raised by Andreas, has been integrated in the spec
<plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Aug/0043.html
See: s:color="#ffffffff" in example 3.
<scribe> ACTION: Monica Clarify references to named colors and align to TTML 1.0. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - Clarify references to named colors and align to TTML 1.0. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-10-04].
Link to color values needs to be correct.
<plh> close issue-181
<trackbot> ISSUE-181 Background color and color have "named colors" but should be expressed in #rrggbbaa format only. closed
<plh> issue-182?
<trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Allow more than one profile to be used in the SDP-US. Add use of ttp:profile element. -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/182
<plh> Monica: should use the ttp:profile element
Related to Issue-183.
mike: Can't fix if we don't fix TTML 1.0.
Confusion signal to presentation processor vs. authoring.
SDP is the former conceivably.
mmartin3: Spec does allow this interpretation.
mike: Speaks to Issue-183 comments.
Declare conformance to the document.
<plh> issue-183?
<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- semantics of using profile in a document -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/183
<mike> there are 2 uses in TTML 1.0: 1) declaration of a document conformance; and 2) directive to the presentation processor for required features and allowinig rejection of the document. we must decide which of these is intended (it cannot be both).
<plh> Mike and Monica supports 1)
<plh> anybody for 2)
<plh> ?
<plh> [[
<plh> A presentation process may be presented with documents that contain features that are not understood. The table that follows outlines the behavior expected under specific conditions. The pre-requisite if the caption file is syntactically valid XML.
<plh> ]]
<plh> for know, one must interpret
<plh> for unknown, one must ignore
Mike: Error handling section doesn't conflict with TTML 1.0.
mijordan: Agrees option 1.
<pal> I like option 1
<plh> Current recommendation is option 1, waiting for feedback from Sean
mmartin3: Hold until Sean is present.
Put in pending review.
Option 1 is preferred.
<plh> issue-185?
<trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- confusion about processor versus player -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/185
<plh> Proposal: Update to "presentation processor" on all references.
mmartin3: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0063.html
Recommendation to use processor term.
Mike: Term in TTML is consistent with Recommendation.
<scribe> ACTION: Glenn is implement use of term processor in SDP to replace all occurrences of term player. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - Is implement use of term processor in SDP to replace all occurrences of term player. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-10-04].
<plh> issue-186?
<trackbot> ISSUE-186 -- confusion about SHALL vs MUST -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/186
<plh> Glenn removed all instances of SHALL
<plh> close issue-186
<trackbot> ISSUE-186 confusion about SHALL vs MUST closed
<plh> issue-177?
<trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- Clarify mandatory processing semantics referenced in Section 3.2.1. Consider whether to use Appendix D, Table E-2. -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/177
Leave open.
CourtneyKennedy: Wants to add an Issue.
plh: Send email to the list.
<plh> https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/new
Use link to create.
<plh> Caption background color and Caption window color are mapped to the same property
<plh> and it needs to be separated
Mike: The feature is subtly there.
<plh> [adjourned]
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