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Web Events WG Voice Conference

25 Sep 2012

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Art_Barstow, Olli_Pettay, Cathy_Chan, Scott_González, Rick_Byers, Doug_Schepers, Matt_Brubeck, Sangwhan_Moon
Regrets
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art, Rick

Contents


<ArtB> Scribe: Art

<ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB

Date: 25 September 2012

<smaug_> that is me

<scott_gonzalez> Doug said he couldn't join until 15 minutes past.

<scott_gonzalez> I'm on the call, but muted.

<scribe> Scribe: Rick

<smaug_> matt will join in a minute

<rbyers> scribenick: rbyers

<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB

Agree on Agenda

AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012JulSep/0034.html.
... Since then there was an announcement about Microsoft's Pointer Events Member Submission to the W3C http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-pointer-events-20120907/ and I propose we add a related topic to today's agenda.
... any objections to adding Pointer Events discussion to the beginning of this meeting?

[ No objections ]

AB: any other change requests?

Announcements

AB: any short announcements for today?

Pointer Events

AB: Microsoft's Pointer Events spec http://www.w3.org/Submission/pointer-events/ overlaps the Touch Events spec, at least from the use case level.
... in the submission page http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/03/, there is a "suggestion" a new WG be formed to standardize Pointer Events (PE).
... depending on how one views/positions PE, it can be seen as a super set of TouchEvents (TE).
... this raises a number of questions such as "so, what would this mean for our TEv2 effort?" so let me open "the floor" comments, concerns, etc. and Q&A ...

DS: I think we should drop Touch Events v2

… we don't want competing specs

… there could be some IP problems with continuing with TEv2

… I think it would be good to create a doc that describes PE and TE

… and I intend to create a related blog

… There needs to be some clarification between the two

… as well as some related by name stuff in CSS

<scott_gonzalez> I agree as well.

MB: I agree with Doug

AB: I tend to agree with Doug also

… I do think we should continue with TEv1 to Recommendation

RB: I agree too

<Cathy> +1 to both shepazu and ArtB

… if PE would not happen, could we restart TEv2?

AB: yes, that is certainly possible

… but I would hope that wouldn't be necessary

SM: not much of an opinion

SG: yes I agree

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: the group will continue to push Touch Events v1 to final Recommendation

AB: any objections to that?

[ None ]

RESOLUTION: the group will continue to push Touch Events v1 to final Recommendation

AB: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: assuming a new WG is formed for Pointer Events, the group will stop work on Touch Events v2
... any comments?
... any objections?

OP: do we have a v2 draft?

AB: yes we do

OP: should we publish that as a WG Note?

AB: good question

… any comments?

… in some ways we have done that in earlier drafts

<rbyers> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/tip/touchevents.html

<smaug_> ah, there

AB: I can start a CfC to publish TEv2 as a WG Note
... any objections to that?

<scribe> ACTION: barstow start a CfC to publish TEv2 as a WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-webevents-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Start a CfC to publish TEv2 as a WG Note [on Arthur Barstow - due 2012-10-02].

DS: if we publish TEv2, we could add something about the PAG for v1

SM: ok; that works

AB: that's a good idea
... PROPOSED RESOLUTION: assuming a new WG is formed for Pointer Events, the group will stop work on Touch Events v2
... any objections?

… I am trying to set expectations

[ None ]

RESOLUTION: assuming a new WG is formed for Pointer Events, the group will stop work on Touch Events v2

AB: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: after the TEv1 Recommendation is published, the Web Events WG will close
... does that seem reasonable?
... any objections?

[ None ]

DS: there is a liaison with IndieUI WG

… and the joint deliverable

… Personally, I think we can ask people interested in IndieUI to just join that WG

AB: so that's a good point re IndieUI

… and I tend to agree with you -> that is, if someone is interested in that work, they can just join the IndieUI WG

AB: any comments about IndieUI?
... any objections to PROPOSED RESOLUTION: after the TEv1 Recommendation is published, the Web Events WG will close ?

[ None ]

RESOLUTION: after the TEv1 Recommendation is published, the Web Events WG will close

AB: anything else on PE for today?

RB: one thing we talked about is gestures

… we know that is off limits for PE WG

… and probably not IndieUI WG either

… thus Web Events is one option

OP: I though gestures was explicity out of scope for WebEvents

DS: yes, that's true

… thus Web Events could be rechartered as "where gestures are happening"

AB: I agree it makes sense to start a group at W3C related to gestures

… I personally strongly support that

… However, I would start a new WG and break the connection with Web Events

… mainly as a marketing and messaging rationale

DS: yes, I agree with Art re starting a new group

… it may be better for us to start a new group with Gesture prominent

RB: that makes sense, thanks for the input

<mbrubeck> Who just joined the call?

<mbrubeck> smaug: Did you just join? (You might be muted.)

<smaug> it is me

<smaug_> it is me

<smaug_> wait a second

<smaug_> please

<smaug_> rbyers: give me 30s

<smaug_> techinal problem here....

<scott_gonzalez> I need to drop off.

Testing

AB: take discussion to the list
... I'd like to get consensus on the single-touch test cases soon-ish
... think we still have some work to do on the multi-touch tests

AoB

AB: if it appears that we have a good reason, we will have a call next week
... anything else for today?
... meeting adjourned

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: barstow start a CfC to publish TEv2 as a WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-webevents-minutes.html#action01]
 
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