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<ArtB> Scribe: Art
<ArtB> ScribeNick: ArtB
Date: 25 September 2012
<smaug_> that is me
<scott_gonzalez> Doug said he couldn't join until 15 minutes past.
<scott_gonzalez> I'm on the call, but muted.
<scribe> Scribe: Rick
<smaug_> matt will join in a minute
<rbyers> scribenick: rbyers
<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
AB: I posted a draft agenda
yesterday
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012JulSep/0034.html.
... Since then there was an announcement about Microsoft's
Pointer Events Member Submission to the W3C
http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/SUBM-pointer-events-20120907/
and I propose we add a related topic to today's agenda.
... any objections to adding Pointer Events discussion to the
beginning of this meeting?
[ No objections ]
AB: any other change requests?
AB: any short announcements for today?
AB: Microsoft's Pointer Events
spec http://www.w3.org/Submission/pointer-events/
overlaps the Touch Events spec, at least from the use case
level.
... in the submission page http://www.w3.org/Submission/2012/03/,
there is a "suggestion" a new WG be formed to standardize
Pointer Events (PE).
... depending on how one views/positions PE, it can be seen as
a super set of TouchEvents (TE).
... this raises a number of questions such as "so, what would
this mean for our TEv2 effort?" so let me open "the floor"
comments, concerns, etc. and Q&A ...
DS: I think we should drop Touch Events v2
… we don't want competing specs
… there could be some IP problems with continuing with TEv2
… I think it would be good to create a doc that describes PE and TE
… and I intend to create a related blog
… There needs to be some clarification between the two
… as well as some related by name stuff in CSS
<scott_gonzalez> I agree as well.
MB: I agree with Doug
AB: I tend to agree with Doug also
… I do think we should continue with TEv1 to Recommendation
RB: I agree too
<Cathy> +1 to both shepazu and ArtB
… if PE would not happen, could we restart TEv2?
AB: yes, that is certainly possible
… but I would hope that wouldn't be necessary
SM: not much of an opinion
SG: yes I agree
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: the group will continue to push Touch Events v1 to final Recommendation
AB: any objections to that?
[ None ]
RESOLUTION: the group will continue to push Touch Events v1 to final Recommendation
AB: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: assuming
a new WG is formed for Pointer Events, the group will stop work
on Touch Events v2
... any comments?
... any objections?
OP: do we have a v2 draft?
AB: yes we do
OP: should we publish that as a WG Note?
AB: good question
… any comments?
… in some ways we have done that in earlier drafts
<rbyers> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/tip/touchevents.html
<smaug_> ah, there
AB: I can start a CfC to publish
TEv2 as a WG Note
... any objections to that?
<scribe> ACTION: barstow start a CfC to publish TEv2 as a WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-webevents-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Start a CfC to publish TEv2 as a WG Note [on Arthur Barstow - due 2012-10-02].
DS: if we publish TEv2, we could add something about the PAG for v1
SM: ok; that works
AB: that's a good idea
... PROPOSED RESOLUTION: assuming a new WG is formed for
Pointer Events, the group will stop work on Touch Events
v2
... any objections?
… I am trying to set expectations
[ None ]
RESOLUTION: assuming a new WG is formed for Pointer Events, the group will stop work on Touch Events v2
AB: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: after
the TEv1 Recommendation is published, the Web Events WG will
close
... does that seem reasonable?
... any objections?
[ None ]
DS: there is a liaison with IndieUI WG
… and the joint deliverable
… Personally, I think we can ask people interested in IndieUI to just join that WG
AB: so that's a good point re IndieUI
… and I tend to agree with you -> that is, if someone is interested in that work, they can just join the IndieUI WG
AB: any comments about
IndieUI?
... any objections to PROPOSED RESOLUTION: after the TEv1
Recommendation is published, the Web Events WG will close ?
[ None ]
RESOLUTION: after the TEv1 Recommendation is published, the Web Events WG will close
AB: anything else on PE for today?
RB: one thing we talked about is gestures
… we know that is off limits for PE WG
… and probably not IndieUI WG either
… thus Web Events is one option
OP: I though gestures was explicity out of scope for WebEvents
DS: yes, that's true
… thus Web Events could be rechartered as "where gestures are happening"
AB: I agree it makes sense to start a group at W3C related to gestures
… I personally strongly support that
… However, I would start a new WG and break the connection with Web Events
… mainly as a marketing and messaging rationale
DS: yes, I agree with Art re starting a new group
… it may be better for us to start a new group with Gesture prominent
RB: that makes sense, thanks for the input
<mbrubeck> Who just joined the call?
<mbrubeck> smaug: Did you just join? (You might be muted.)
<smaug> it is me
<smaug_> it is me
<smaug_> wait a second
<smaug_> please
<smaug_> rbyers: give me 30s
<smaug_> techinal problem here....
<scott_gonzalez> I need to drop off.
AB: take discussion to the
list
... I'd like to get consensus on the single-touch test cases
soon-ish
... think we still have some work to do on the multi-touch
tests
AB: if it appears that we have a
good reason, we will have a call next week
... anything else for today?
... meeting adjourned
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