IRC log of mlw-lt on 2012-08-30
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- meeting: MLW-LT WG
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- chair: felix
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0319.html
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- regrets: Jörg
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- present: arle, felix
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- present+ yves
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- present+ guiseppe, michael
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- present+ pablo
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- present+ dave
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- checking attendance
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- you missed Mr. Echo
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- present+ phil
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0319.html
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- scribe: daveL
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- scribe daveL
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- topic: ACTIONS
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- action-164?
- 14:08:05 [trackbot]
- ACTION-164 -- Maxime Lefrançois to create an RDF ontology for ITS, and make sure that we update the ITS XSD to accomodate the RDF output created via ACTION-147 -- due 2012-08-16 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/164
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- 14:09:25 [daveL]
- tadej; followed this but can't dedicate time
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- action: felix to liaise with maximie to complete this when time permits
- 14:10:15 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-205 - Liaise with maximie to complete this when time permits [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].
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- action-179?
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- ACTION-179 -- David Lewis to work with Olaf-Michael to help draft blurb for international organizations. -- due 2012-08-16 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/179
- 14:11:05 [fsasaki]
- dave: talked about this with olaf, need to follow up
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- .. ongoing
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- action-196?
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- ACTION-196 -- Felix Sasaki to make inheritance - overriding etc. clearer in the spec -- due 2012-08-20 -- CLOSED
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/196
- 14:12:01 [fsasaki]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0311.html
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#datacategories-defaults-etc
- 14:14:48 [daveL]
- felix: inheritence and overriding colum are mutually redundant and make the function of inhertance clearer
- 14:14:58 [daveL]
- ... does everyone agree?
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- Yves; in bread agreement
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- dave: old text didn't really say what overriding did
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- .. there is several aspects like "overriding the data values of the ITS category"
- 14:16:00 [fsasaki]
- .. that might make it clearer
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- .. so there wasn't a definition what is overriden
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- .. the data values that apply to the nodes get overriden
- 14:16:48 [daveL]
- scribe; daveL
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- topic: PRAGUE + TPAC
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- scribe: daveL
- 14:17:54 [daveL]
- felix: hope eveyone can come to both, though prague is most important
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- ... but TPAC also give opportunity to meet other W3C folk
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- Des; will be showing some implementations
- 14:19:41 [daveL]
- felis; people are implementing and we need slot in agenda for this
- 14:20:32 [fsasaki]
- s/felis/felix/
- 14:20:45 [Yves_]
- i should have some data categories working and useable too (XLIFF 1.2 and 2.0 output for example)
- 14:20:48 [daveL]
- daveL: will have some integration between CMS-LION and mose MT and perhaps XLIGG
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- felix: ask eveyone to add any plans for demonstrations to prague agenda page
- 14:21:44 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/PragueSep2012#Objectives
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- "Your implementations and use cases here: ..."
- 14:22:12 [daveL]
- action: felix to follow up on demo commitments at prague under objectives on pargue agenda page
- 14:22:13 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-206 - Follow up on demo commitments at prague under objectives on pargue agenda page [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].
- 14:22:39 [daveL]
- felix: you can add a point to page showing more details also.
- 14:23:12 [fsasaki]
- dave: people can be free to set up a page for "their" implementation to put more details in
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- felix: sure
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- topic: ISSUE-22
- 14:24:09 [daveL]
- felix; ISSUE 22 provenance, need update
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- dave: working on it. For actual text need to add pointers to translation agent
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- .. where was the issue related to mtScore
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- .. standoff just needed the pointer version added
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- .. felix had sent a comment about "standoff prov. MUST point to a provenance record"
- 14:25:54 [fsasaki]
- .. how would you test conformance on that
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- .. is it sufficient to have a URL and get a URL back
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- felix: how would validation work?
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- dave: several options for that in provenance
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- .. basically a GET operation and you get something back in a certain format
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- .. if you have a pointer to one of the records
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- .. they need to follow a link and do an HTTP get
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- .. to retrieve it
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- .. but do they have to parse the record
- 14:29:45 [daveL]
- felix: you can have ITS data category conformance by access the URL, but there is more to showcasing functionality
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- ... so test suite is artificial, but we want to have more live tests
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- ... so we want the functional testing to really show the usefulness
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- felix: test can cover both, we can do both at the same time
- 14:36:25 [daveL]
- felix: so current test suite isn't useful for real-life implementations
- 14:37:47 [Ankit]
- will having a MT system translate ITS metadata (as in testsuite) tagged text be an example of functional testing?
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- dave: suggest implementers provide thier funcitonal test when demoing in prague
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- yves; can provide some examples in prague
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- flix; to get some feedback on test suite input and output from HTML WG
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- action: felix to get some feedback on test suite input and output from HTML WG
- 14:39:55 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-207 - Get some feedback on test suite input and output from HTML WG [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].
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- present+ david
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- topic: ISSUE-34 quality data category
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqissue
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqprecis
- 14:41:22 [daveL]
- felix: yves has update specification as above
- 14:42:06 [daveL]
- Des: did quality score issue get resolved
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- ... there were 4 options mentioned
- 14:43:00 [fsasaki]
- see mail here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0267.html
- 14:43:23 [daveL]
- yves: issue of whether it is a range or a vote need to be resolved, and an attribute added if both to be supported
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- Des: can live without voting if it overcomplicate things
- 14:44:52 [daveL]
- Yves: lets check if other partners such as microsoft have an interest
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- Des: it is a valid use case
- 14:45:39 [daveL]
- Yves: yes, but it should be an option in that data category rather than a new data category
- 14:45:49 [daveL]
- Des: agrees
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- Yves; volunteer to add a proposal so we can explore the issues
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- action: yves to add an option to quality precis draft supporting voting ranges
- 14:46:46 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-208 - Add an option to quality precis draft supporting voting ranges [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-09-06].
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- topic: readibility of the spec
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- .. currrently trying to re-draft parts of section 1
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- .. disambiguation is very hard to read
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- .. using a lot of computational linguistic terminology
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- .. propose not to change a lot, but the prose
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- tadej: posted a new version a while ago, aware of this problem
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- .. whole data category talks about computational linguistic domain
- 14:50:14 [dF]
- perhaps tadej should mute
- 14:51:01 [daveL]
- felix: want to have some people to review some data category text with the eye of someone form a different domain
- 14:51:36 [daveL]
- action: tadej to review readability and make proposals to improve readability to non-localisation people
- 14:51:36 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-209 - Review readability and make proposals to improve readability to non-localisation people [on Tadej Štajner - due 2012-09-06].
- 14:52:02 [daveL]
- action: daveL to review diambiguation from the point of view of readability
- 14:52:02 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-210 - Review diambiguation from the point of view of readability [on David Lewis - due 2012-09-06].
- 14:52:11 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqprecis
- 14:52:34 [daveL]
- action: Michael to review quality precis for readability from non-localisation viewpoint
- 14:52:34 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-211 - Review quality precis for readability from non-localisation viewpoint [on Michael Kruppa - due 2012-09-06].
- 14:53:47 [daveL]
- felix; also ask Dave, David and moritz to do a general review of the draft
- 14:54:51 [fsasaki]
- dave: some data catgories have examples that do something which is not explained. You need to explain: here is an example how an element is selected, given the values etc.
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- .. some of Yves ones are quite good
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- .. I'd encourage everybody to look into that
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- topic: ISSUE-36 special requirements
- 14:56:44 [daveL]
- felix: summarised changes to special requirements and yves to include this
- 14:57:03 [daveL]
- action; yves to add allowed characters and stroage size to specification
- 14:57:15 [dF]
- Happy with "forbidden characters" and "storage size" solutions as per e-mail discussion..
- 14:57:24 [daveL]
- action: Yves_ to add allowed characters and stroage size to specification
- 14:57:24 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - Yves_
- 14:57:47 [fsasaki]
- topic: ISSUE-41 mtConfidence
- 14:58:43 [daveL]
- dF: harmonisation issue to be resolved, e.g. with provenance
- 14:59:29 [daveL]
- ... need more granularity on translation agent for this to advance
- 15:01:27 [daveL]
- action: daveL to call David to advance the transagent and mtconfirdence score harmonisation
- 15:01:27 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-212 - Call David to advance the transagent and mtconfirdence score harmonisation [on David Lewis - due 2012-09-06].
- 15:02:06 [daveL]
- dF: ask tadej what score format is relevant to text analytics
- 15:03:05 [daveL]
- tadej: either 0 to 1 or percentage would work, but 0-1 would work and is perhaps more common
- 15:03:17 [Michael]
- sorry, gotta run...cheers
- 15:04:10 [daveL]
- felix: summarize is 0 to 1 best solution
- 15:04:21 [fsasaki]
- s/felix:/tadej:/
- 15:04:32 [daveL]
- tadej: this is simpler to process and percentage and can be XSD float
- 15:04:47 [daveL]
- dF: agree we will go for this option
- 15:05:29 [fsasaki]
- topic: time of this call
- 15:05:49 [fsasaki]
- would it work for everybody to have it one our earlier?
- 15:05:54 [fsasaki]
- phil: would be OK
- 15:06:01 [Ankit]
- works for us too (DCU)
- 15:06:22 [daveL]
- dF: could yves move earlier
- 15:06:35 [daveL]
- yves: yes, can try
- 15:06:51 [fsasaki]
- action: felix to send info about time change proposal to the list
- 15:06:51 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-213 - Send info about time change proposal to the list [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-09-06].
- 15:07:25 [daveL]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- time propsosal - one hour later
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- 15:19:13 [Ankit]
- Bye..
- 15:22:29 [gderiard]
- Good bye....
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