IRC log of html-media on 2012-08-28
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-html-media-irc
- 15:37:33 [joesteele]
- … this would be to support formats that come later which do not have them
- 15:37:51 [joesteele]
- paulc: can you give us a ptr to the most recent spec?
- 15:38:14 [joesteele]
- johnsim: is the issue that some media might not require init set?
- 15:38:31 [joesteele]
- acolwell: believe Mark wanted the optional text but cannot think of one today that has that
- 15:38:57 [joesteele]
- s/mark:/markw:/
- 15:39:17 [joesteele]
- acolwell: Mark is copied on the bug
- 15:39:27 [joesteele]
- paulc: assign an action item to Mark on this
- 15:39:44 [joesteele]
- acolwell: Bob -- for Transport stream stuff you still have this right?
- 15:39:47 [joesteele]
- BobLund: yes
- 15:40:29 [matt]
- trackbot, status?
- 15:40:32 [joesteele]
- ACTION: markw review the proposal in bug#18601
- 15:40:32 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - markw
- 15:40:55 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18575
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- 15:41:09 [joesteele]
- paulc: next item
- 15:41:24 [joesteele]
- acolwell: most of section 2 looks non-normative
- 15:41:41 [joesteele]
- … suggested to mark the whole section as non-normative
- 15:42:06 [joesteele]
- … I suggest changing to be normative instead
- 15:42:13 [markw]
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- 15:42:23 [joesteele]
- … should split bug into multiple sections to change to normative?
- 15:42:36 [joesteele]
- … or keep as a single bug?
- 15:42:50 [joesteele]
- paulc: there are 11 sub-sections
- 15:43:51 [joesteele]
- paulc: what was original intent? descriptive text for reader and normative text for implementor?
- 15:44:07 [joesteele]
- paulc: Aaron you are suggesting converting all the text to normative
- 15:44:09 [joesteele]
- ?
- 15:44:33 [joesteele]
- paulc: would be better to move the normative stuff out of section 2?
- 15:44:39 [joesteele]
- acolwell: not sure
- 15:44:43 [matt]
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- 15:44:46 [markw]
- there is a lot of material in section 2 that should be normative
- 15:44:56 [joesteele]
- paulc: suggest you do one or two of these changes and come back to the group
- 15:45:29 [joesteele]
- adrianba: lot of things that are normative in this section - should get an idea of what to do as we change it
- 15:45:29 [markw]
- users of the API need to be sure how the different append cases will be handled, for example
- 15:46:02 [joesteele]
- paulc: maybe change a couple of good examples on section 2 and come back to group with the examples as a proposal
- 15:46:53 [joesteele]
- acolwell: some pieces are conceptual and some are more algorithmic - hard to see what is the right balance
- 15:47:13 [joesteele]
- paulc: no problem with having both types, but make sure it is clear which is which
- 15:47:53 [joesteele]
- ACTION: acolwell to give a couple of examples for section 2
- 15:47:53 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-6 - Give a couple of examples for section 2 [on Aaron Colwell - due 2012-09-04].
- 15:48:06 [joesteele]
- paulc: moving on to next
- 15:48:12 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18642
- 15:48:31 [joesteele]
- acolwell: wanted people to look at this bug and get feedback
- 15:48:44 [joesteele]
- … on the behavior specified
- 15:49:35 [joesteele]
- acolwell: would like someone with more experience with this type of edge case to respond
- 15:49:46 [joesteele]
- paulc: anyone with this type of feedback?
- 15:50:03 [joesteele]
- acolwell: live is probably the problem
- 15:50:16 [matt]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:50:16 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-html-media-minutes.html matt
- 15:50:24 [joesteele]
- johnsim: Aaron if you could send me an email with a synopsis I can look for an answer
- 15:50:26 [matt]
- rrsagent, make minutes public
- 15:50:26 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', matt. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 15:50:28 [matt]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 15:50:33 [matt]
- rrsagent, make minutes public
- 15:50:33 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', matt. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 15:50:35 [matt]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-html-media-minutes.html matt
- 15:51:01 [joesteele]
- acolwell: Bob or Duncan could you chime in as well?
- 15:51:07 [Clarke]
- I'll take a look also
- 15:51:24 [duncanr]
- ok will look at it too
- 15:51:47 [joesteele]
- acolwell: this was in reference to transport streams
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- paulc: next item
- 15:52:05 [joesteele]
- bug#18708
- 15:52:17 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18708
- 15:52:30 [joesteele]
- acolwell: current spec says when you call end of stream can't add any more data
- 15:52:57 [joesteele]
- … might be nice to append after this if a higher quality segment has been found later
- 15:53:19 [joesteele]
- .. this bug lifts the restriction, if you append transitions back to open state
- 15:53:30 [joesteele]
- … is this useful?
- 15:53:36 [joesteele]
- paulc: any comments?
- 15:53:55 [joesteele]
- paulc: next is bug#18709
- 15:54:02 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18709
- 15:54:19 [joesteele]
- acolwell: adding a method to source buffer allowing you to flush data out of the source buffer
- 15:54:38 [joesteele]
- … one of the ideas was to allow app more control over how much data buffered in user agent
- 15:54:56 [joesteele]
- … also used to signal parts of timeline which ar enot important anymore
- 15:55:14 [paulc]
- See response in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18709#c1
- 15:55:14 [joesteele]
- s/ar enot/are not/
- 15:55:43 [joesteele]
- ???1: what is the assumed behavior if it can act on its own?
- 15:55:59 [acolwell]
- http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/media-source.html#source-buffer-segment-eviction
- 15:56:27 [joesteele]
- acolwell: basically the user agent can do what it needs with regard to releasing memory but tries to avoid stopping playback
- 15:57:13 [joesteele]
- ???1: allows app to give the UA a pass playback for a piece of content
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- s/pass playback/pass on playback/
- 15:57:39 [joesteele]
- acolwell: allows UA to not have to guess
- 15:57:51 [adrianba]
- s/???1/johnsim/
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- sometimes there are contractual restrictions on how much content can be buffered and this gives the application control of that
- 15:58:33 [joesteele]
- acolwell: agreed with the comments from Phillip
- 15:59:24 [joesteele]
- adrianba: think you said this allows app to be proscriptive, but earlier seemed like a hint and allowed the UA more information
- 15:59:29 [markw]
- I think it should be prescriptive
- 15:59:45 [joesteele]
- acolwell: it should be prescriptive
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- adrianba: is this intended to be synchronous then?
- 16:00:17 [joesteele]
- acolwell: intended to be like an overlap
- 16:00:39 [joesteele]
- paulc: think that handles Aarons suggested list
- 16:01:03 [joesteele]
- paulc: some of the other bugs may be processed by him as well since they will be covered by his other work
- 16:01:31 [joesteele]
- acolwell: will keep attacking clarification bugs first and new features second
- 16:01:38 [joesteele]
- paulc: lots of actions
- 16:01:48 [joesteele]
- paulc: meet again on Sept 11th in two weeks
- 16:02:07 [joesteele]
- paulc: scribe volunteers?
- 16:02:16 [matt]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:02:16 [Zakim]
- sorry, matt, I don't know what conference this is
- 16:02:17 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see markw, matt, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, ddorwin, kstreeter, Clarke, Johnsim, BobLund, acolwell, paulc, adrianba, joesteele, pal, duncanr, Nixu, MikeSmith
- 16:02:35 [matt]
- zakim, this is HTML_WG
- 16:02:35 [Zakim]
- ok, matt; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
- 16:02:41 [matt]
- zakim, who on the phone?
- 16:02:41 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, matt.
- 16:02:44 [joesteele]
- paulc: any other comments?
- 16:02:45 [matt]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:02:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see NiXu, pierre, joesteele, [Microsoft], acolwell, [Microsoft.a], Clarke, duncanr, ??P13, ??P3, markw
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- -??P3
- 16:02:55 [joesteele]
- adrian will send matt the notes from this meeting
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- paulc: meeting is adjounred
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- -Clarke
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- -duncanr
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- -NiXu
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- -[Microsoft]
- 16:03:45 [matt]
- zakim, drop me
- 16:03:46 [Zakim]
- sorry, matt, I do not see a party named 'matt'
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- -joesteele
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- -markw
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- -acolwell
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- -pierre
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- -??P13
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- -[Microsoft.a]
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were NiXu, pierre, joesteele, Matt_Womer, [Microsoft], BobLund, acolwell, markw, +1.858.735.aaaa, Clarke, duncanr, ddorwin, Matt
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/28-html-media-minutes.html matt
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