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Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

23 Aug 2012

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
+1.440.389.aaaa
Regrets
Chair
Bernadette
Scribe
Ghislain, sandro, gatemezi

Contents


<sandro> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Date: 23 August 2012

<scribe> Meeting: Focus on Best Practices

<scribe> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120823

<scribe> Scribe:Ghislain

<scribe> ScribeNick:gatemezi

<sandro> scribe: sandro

<bhyland> @Ghislain are you able to hear the call?

gatemezi, I'm scribing until you get here.

<bhyland> Approve last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-16

<gatemezi> @sandro : Thanks

bhyland: F2F at TPAC? No.
... If you're attending TPAC ...

+1 I'm going to TPAC

<HadleyBeeman> I'm planning to attend TPAC

<BartvanLeeuwen> +1 be at TPAC

bhyland: My hope is that we make some progress -- using it as a deadline, a chance for some people to talk, maybe a chance to present.

<scribe> scribe: gatemezi

<luisBermudez> aaee is me

<sandro> me

<cygri> me

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: plans to go for the TPAC

sandro is going also for the TPAC...Somebody from DERI? @cygri for sure

<bhyland> Attending: Sandro, Bernadette, (Dave Wood), Hadley (maybe), Richard C,

bhyland: Anyone form the Provenance Group going to TPAC?

<bhyland> TPAC Schedule: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/

<bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/#GroupSchedule

<olyerickson> Will there be a UnConference format again this year? If so, opportunity for GLD breakout...

<HadleyBeeman> my thought too, olyerickson

bhyland: In TPAC has a lighthing session..should GLD stand up to speak this year ?

<bhyland> zakim aabb is Mike_Pendleton

olyerickson: He attended in one TPAC some years ago...There is a way to do a breakout for GLD group

<bhyland> Olyerickson: Suggested we consider a breakout on GLD WG @ TPAC, if there is an extension available.

<sandro> sandro: It looks like it will be unconf again: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012

HadleyBeeman: There is always a benefit to speak during the TPAC..

<olyerickson> @bhyland Note that PROV is pretty intense...

<sandro> sandro: We've given up on the idea of a 2-day meeting, but we could still do an unconference session on Wednesday (but as Hadley says, that would be lots of work to prepare)

<sandro> [ and yet, unconference sessions are not supposed to take much work.... ? ]

<bhyland> Review minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-16

Review of the last minutes

<HadleyBeeman> Actually, sandro, I don't think it would need to be lots of work. I think we could organise a constructive dialogue with the rest of the community with what we have already.

<BenediktKaempgen> +1

<BartvanLeeuwen> +1

<bhyland> Accepted

<sandro> +1

+1

<Yigal> +1

<olyerickson> Not me!

Linked Data Glossary update..see https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html

<sandro> gatemezi, is that you? +33.4.93.00.aadd

Linked Data Glossary Update

URL of the actual version: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html

bhyland: Is it better a Working Note or just a wiki page for LD glossary?

<bhyland> zakim aaff is Biplav

<sandro> bhyland: Please email me any changes you want to the glossary

bhyland: Could we have a look at the glossary and send mail to Ghislain or Bernadette for changing /adding items
... we need to have some momentum as a group

<olyerickson> Terms needed: Application, Mashup, Hackathon

bhyland: Any question about that?

Best Practices effort

<olyerickson> Need abbreviations more prominent: SOA, SKOS, URI, HTML, HTTP,

bhyland: What is the actual status? What people are working on?

sandro: Suggest for transition for review...

bhyland feels that there is a need of more discussion in some parts of the document

<bhyland> Question for the group: What barriers or hurdles are you facing that the GLD should address in the Best Practices doc?

<sandro> sandro: Let's have people start to note whether the right things are in this doc

<sandro> Mike_Pendleton: We're running into issues. Even DB experts / enterprise architects have trouble understanding what LD is and how it will help.

Mike_Pendleton: People want to know what LD is, or what is the benefit of it

<bhyland> Mike_Pendleton: Running into fundamental issues related to the basics around Linked Data in the eyes of an experienced enterprise IT manager

<sandro> Mike_Pendleton: We've got a FAQ for these people; it's not quite BPs but might be useful.

<bhyland> …. communicating the benefits so they could buy into it.

<tinagheen> @Mike_Pendleton - can you please share the document when it is out of draft, even if it is not included in Best Practices?

<Mike_Pendleton> Sure

<Mike_Pendleton> Happy to

<olyerickson> +1 to notion of Best Practices "FAQ"

<olyerickson> RE Words to include in Glossary: Note my previous suggestions (above)

@olyerickson: you mean SOA, SKOS, URI, HTML and HTTP?

<bhyland> HadleyBeeman: Gov't data is generally lots of small data that only have meaning when stitched together.

<olyerickson> Yes, and above that (Application, Mashup, Hackathon, etc)

<bhyland> … Use terms that people are familiar with, cross reference terms in Wikipedia, to emphasis is not necessary new & maveric, it is tested & proven.

<BartvanLeeuwen> +1

<BartvanLeeuwen> +q

bhyland: GLD could help in giving "meaning" aroud big data, huge data process, etc..

<bhyland> Biplav: Practical issue people face when considering LOD is tooling that is available ...

<bhyland> … If we can make some suggestions around tooling, that would go a long way.

<BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for showcases

<Mike_Pendleton> +1 Bernadette - we need to say where LOD fits in the Big Data paradigm (hitch our wagon to it because it has cache)

<bhyland> … Community Directory is useful to let people interested in LD technology to locate it.

<DaveReynolds> +1 to bhyland not appropriate for the WG to recommend specific tool chains

<bhyland> … Tutorials would be helpful

what about just giving the links of the tutorials of the tools in ComDir?

<bhyland> … Example Biplav gave was transportation domain, how do we use technology to determine high level concepts for transportation …

bhyland: encourages @biplav to send a mail to clarify all the ideas he has in main for the transportation domain

<bhyland> … Biplav: answered questions like 'what is a vehicle?, what is a route?'

<Mike_Pendleton> Jeff Hollister (US EPA) has attempted to quanitfy how LOD approaches will save money/time for his limnological (freshwater lakes) research efforts. We need pithy annecdotes to support our assertions about the benefits of LOD.

<BartvanLeeuwen> -q

DaveReynolds: Is the BP doc ready for reviewing ?

<Biplav> Agree with @Ghislain that links to tutorials will be helpful.

Pragmatic Provenance URL: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary#Pragmatic_Provenance

Schedule update ?

<bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter

bhyland: The chairs will contact the different editors for re-scheduling our WG

<bhyland> Open discussion around selling LOD internally ...

<bhyland> Internal bias to use the technology & approaches that are known

TinaGleen: It could be benefit to show clearly the benefits of LOD in enterprises..

<bhyland> Bart: He is seeing the same thing

<bhyland> … every uses the Web to find things but when they need *authoritative* data, they're biased towards a traditional monolithic system

<bhyland> TinaGheen: People are focused internally & their own content, rather than on linking to external data sets.

<bhyland> George: We're seeing some convergence, beginning to see convergence of global name space, value of key:value pairs, they start to get it.

<BartvanLeeuwen> +q

<bhyland> … when you can show 'cooperation without coordination' it makes the case easier.

<bhyland> BartvanLeeuwen: It is tough to encapsulate that in a BP doc.

<bhyland> Olyerickson: There is something different in selling the Web 2.0 meme vs. Linked Data meme … there were a set of activities, a certain Web utilization model and Tim O'Reilly came up with a name & attributes for describing it.

Maybe we need more collaborative work (or porjects ) around LOD involving academics and enterprises..

<bhyland> … this helped define the meme that entrepreneurs, VCs & developers understood.

<bhyland> … This helped define "labels" or buckets to understand what people were doing.

<bhyland> … In the case of Linked Data, there has been less organic pull, and thus less of organic rise of business models to propel the meme forward.

<olyerickson> +1 to skidaddling... (sp?)

<olyerickson> Thanks bhyland

<HadleyBeeman> Thanks, bhyland!

bhyland: encourage editors to continue working on different docs

<BartvanLeeuwen> thanks bhyland !

<bhyland> Thanks all!

<olyerickson> Bye!

<Biplav> Thanks bhyland!

<DaveReynolds> bye

Thanks all!

<BenediktKaempgen> Bye!

<bhyland> @Sandro, are you publishing the minutes?

Summary of Action Items

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