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HTML Weekly Teleconference

16 Aug 2012

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
mjs
Scribe
rubys

Contents


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<trackbot> Date: 16 August 2012

<scribe> scribe: rubys

<Wilto> Mat Marquis here; just dialed in.

<mjs> Zaki, who is making noise?

ACTION items due by Thursday, August 16

<Wilto> Muted.

<Wilto> I’m 482, yeah.

<Wilto> …Wow that’s a clever little bot.

action-220?

<trackbot> ACTION-220 -- Paul Cotton to work with Matthew to get an editor's draft submitted to the WG for proposed adaptive image element -- due 2012-08-16 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/220

<Zakim> adrianba, you wanted to report on ACTION-220

adrian: Matt has been working on a draft for this, good progress, not quite ready, can we extend this for one week?
... the other thing we are looking for is a location to put this into... mercurial?

mjs: thanks

action-220 due in one week

<trackbot> ACTION-220 Work with Matthew to get an editor's draft submitted to the WG for proposed adaptive image element due date now in one week

mjs: progress is being made, no action taken

New Issues This Week

mjs: none
... still one outstanding tracker request

Items Closed Last Week

ISSUE-206?

<trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206

call for consensus completed, we received additional proposals, and a hit for more

<Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to communicate a11y TF position on issue 206

mjs: background: this was as a result of a reopen request; the question is whether or not to replace it

mike: it does seem like there is one part that we do have consensus on; I don't think anybody is advocating keeping the meta generator exception... it may be that a call for consensus would pass and move a decision on that and that change could be applied
... we could deal with the additional attribute as a separate issue
... from the TF side, our preference is that the chairs split the issue and progress on the part that we do have agreement on

mjs: the chairs will take that under advisement
... any more comments on 206?

Items Closing This Week

issue-30?

<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30

mjs: we are expected updated change proposals by august 17th, from the author of one change proposal we got input that no change is required; the a11y tf requested more time
... on advice of W3C mgmt, we are keeping the schedule

judy: laura agrees that additional time is needed, and I will be providing additional information on what information was Jeff was presented with, and based on the continued discussion on 204, we do not feel that the discussion is mature there, and confirm our need to clarify parts of issue 30 statement, and I will be sending out a written request for additional time
... in addition, there is a problem that the chairs imposes a change on another working group without any discussion with the other working group, so there is a possibility of a formal objection
... so: just a heads up that you will be getting a written request

mjs: just a piece of advice: we are more likely to be sympathetic to an extension request that is specific; part of the reason for the previous decision to hold to the schedule is that the previous request lack specifics

judy: the overall schedule is at risk due to 204; with request for specificity, I believe that other extensions have been granted with less justification
... we intend to write a preamble and to address the types of misunderstanding that we have seen

mjs: I continue to stand by my position that you will get a warmer reception if you identify at least one specific thing you need to update

judy: I have nothing further to add

mjs: anything further on issue 30?

Items Closing Next Week

mjs: none

New Calls this week

mjs: none

New Surveys this week

mjs: none

Decisions this week

issue-204?

<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0159.html

mjs: we discussed how this relates to issue 30
... further discussion on 204?

laura: how will this affect issue 30?

mjs: as both proposals allow hidden, there likely won't be a huge difference

rubys: there is an impact to the schedule; given that laura and others request holding on the survey on 30

laura confirms that she would prefer holding off on the survey on issue 30

Other Business

issue-189?

<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0157.html

mjs: additional discussion by Julian; the current status is that we will be open to a reopen request when we have actual new information

julian: plh has suggested discussion on the i18n discussion and got input from stpeter and others

<mjs> ietf, not the ietf w3c policy

ISSUE-195?

<trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0158.html

<Julian> issue-189 pointer: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ietf-w3c/2012Aug/0000.html

mjs: Cameron indicated the has been blocked and will be updating his proposal soon; we will watch and potentially ping again

ISSUE-201?

<trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0151.html

<Julian> s/plh has suggested discussion on the i18n discussion and got input from stpeter and others/plh has suggested discussion on the IETF/W3C policy mailing list and got input from stpeter, mnot and julian/

mjs: two items open on this: ted was going to provide feedback on aria-roles... ted?

hober: I didn't finish it on Friday, and have been in the CSS F2F this week; will dig myself out of my email hole

mjs: the other open point was the restriction on elements; we need confirmation from the person who brought it up that they want this addressed

ted: this seems like an area of wide agreement, we just need to nail down the details

ISSUE-206?

<trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206

mjs: we discussed this earlier...

ISSUE-30?

<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30

mjs: also discussed earlier

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0152.html

ISSUE-131?

<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0166.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0172.html

mjs: status is that Rich asked to table this to HTML.next; and the chairs have indicated that we will only do that if everybody agrees to remove their proposals; Rich is on vacation, and we have asked Frank if he want to withdraw his proposal

frank: I'll happily postpone this to HTML.next

mjs: can you also toss that into email, if we have consensus to postpone, we will go forward with that

Proposed decision policy changes

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0188.html

mjs: in a number of cases this represents text that was in bugzilla, in at least one case there is significant new text
... discussion?

CR exit criteria

mjs: I posted an email with two possible ways to define the exit criteria, and significant discussion has resulted
... discussion?
... no discussion... I encourage people to look at the thread...
... it will be up to the WG to make a recommendation to the Director, and this will significantly affect the schedule, and this will affect the charter.
... any other Other Business?

Scribe for next meeting

Sam will likely be the chair

mjs: I encourage people who haven't done so before to volunteer

ted: I can scribe

mjs: thanks

Adjournment

Summary of Action Items

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