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<janina> trackbot, start meeting
<janina> zkaim, this will be WAI_PF(Text)
<scribe> scribe: Judy
All: General discussion of the misunderstandings about sighted-users' needs around 204 Aria Hidden, and about misunderstandings on assistive technology
JF: preparing additional explanations of the points that did not appear well understood in the decision
JS: multiple places where this would break established assistive technology interoperability
JB: would another change proposal have been possible?
JS: not at the time
JF: will work more on his draft response
JS: forcing a design issue only creates bad design
JF: the decisions appear to be made on weight of objections, rather than a more fundamental understanding the access technology
JS: elaborating the additional harm, such as how the other approach flattens a complex table
JB: confirm this evidence was presented
JS: yes, I linked it from my survey, and they appear not to have consider it anywhere in their decision
JF: three different kinds of problems where shown in my test page: (1) flattening of test page; (2) flattening of structure; and (3) no visual indication of tab focus for links.
<laura> http://john.foliot.ca/html5/w3c/hidden.html
<laura> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-204-objection-poll/results#xfigure
<JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Verbose_desc_reqs#Requirements
All: discussing the draft summary requirements for longdesc
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