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<jamesn> scribeNick: jongund
JN: We have 5 comments
JN: Reading comments....
... JN: Adam do we need every role property and states?
Adam: Are we trying to help
developers with good techniques to pass the tests or more
... Current technique is very general technique
JN: Is is WCAG job to tell people how to use ARIA?
Lorettta: We do have a test proceedure, but it says go to the spec
Loretta: We do not want to provide examples for everything
Adam: Let us draw parallels, lets
... We went down the list of html elements, for each
Loretta: We have general semantics and then some specific techniques
Adam: It is not possible in aria
because their are too many
... I am more comfortable with breaking up the techniques...
Loretta: That will take a 5
years, we need alot more people
... We do not seem to have the person power right now
Adam: Would we like to do it? But not enough people?
JN: If we do that then if we miss
something people will seem like it cannot be done
... We are running into an issue in 1.3.1, that here is not a general technique ofor something we want to do
Adam: I am a developer or a layman, it says use ARIA roles, then I have to go other places and cannot use the organization of WCAG techs
JN: If people do not read and understand the aria spec, ..
JG: People miss the keyboard focus management part of aria, since
JN: People may try to just use the technique examples and not really understand and fail the accessibility requirements
Loretta: What are the alternatives?
JN: I would like a general aria
technique and then have some more commonly used examples
... Do we want to duplicate information from the spec (aria)
Loretta: have you looked at that part of the spec?
Adam: Which part?
JN: Is this what you are looking for?
Adam: i would like to split them up, but this table is too long to be in the techniques document
JN: This is all the roles ith supported properties and states
Adam: i think we should have as
many examples as possible
... i think the major roles would be a good start if we have enough people
JN: We are discussing the second
table in SF document
... We seem to think this is too long for WCAG, but we could reference this
Adam: I think there are some important roles like combo box
Loretta: There alot of these we need to have evrything ...
Katie: There are some issues with some of the UI libraries
JN: There are some issues with all libraries
Loretta; I think it is good to give people references to libraries to UI widgets
Loretta: Who knows about the implementations in libraries?
JN; Could we put a more general reference to librarues?
JG: It is difficult to find out what these libraries actually do
Loretta; We will need to have caveats about testing for support
JG: Maybe it would be good to
invite library developers
... What would we want to point to in a library?
Loretta: I think we want
something for developers
... W could be more specific related to ARIA support
JN: Wasn't there a government website on accessible widgets?
Katie: HHS and hans are working
on an juery-ui and html5 and css3 widgets
... there are problems with the fall back requirements, with the keyboard support covered
JG: I am willing to talk to the JQuery people and Becky Gibson at IBM about dojo?
JN: We don't have formal action tracking
Loretta: We will only meet if we have techaniques
JN: If we agree this is a good general thing, we can start on other examples
<adam> i have to leave early
JN: Everything we do with ARIA will go into 4.1.2
Loretta: Some state management will be other places
JN: You cannot do this example in just HTML
Loretta: If there are specific slider examples
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