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<trackbot> Date: 05 July 2012
<scribe> scribenick: birtles
heycam, have we resolved on this yet?
<ed_home> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F_SVGOpen_2012
CM: asked Andreas about this, fine but we need to let him know if we will meet before or after SVG open
ED: we have a wiki which suggests we've resolved it
<ed_home> 17 - 19 September 2012
ED: it says 17th-19th Sep
CM: i.e. directly after SVG
Open
... so it's going ahead?
... I'll get to Andreas with those dates
<ed_home> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Seattle_Paris_2012/Agenda_proposals
ED: please remember to add agenda topics
<ed_home> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Seattle_Paris_2012
ED: Cyril added some details for the Paris part
CM: The hotel is about 20min walk
from the venue
... I wonder how it will work logistically
DS: I'll probably rent a car...
<heycam> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/19480/SVGSeattleParis2012/results
DS: some others live there
... who is actually attending Seattle?
... we have 6 non-locals: we could rent a bigger vehicle or see
if Rik can help
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Seattle_Paris_2012
scribe: those of us flying in
should share our info
... I'll put my information there and people who want a ride
can... can... can...
... I'll work it out with Rik
CC: I tested the
videoconferencing equipment with Adobe and we couldn't make a
full test
... I'd like to make another test this week
... I'll email them
CM: it's three days of meetings right?
ED: yes
CM: do we want to focus on spec
work during those days?
... since we want to publish directly after the F2F
DS: I'd like us to spend about 1/3rd of the time (a bit each day) working on specs
ED: fine with me
CC: In Paris we could work in the
afternoon before the conference
... and in Seattle you could work after the conference
... then it wouldn't have to start so early in Seattle
CM: I'll send a mail out to the list with a proposal about allocating time for spec work
CM: Dirk sent an email with
concerns about media fragments and how that interacts with our
SVG view specifications that you can put in URI
references
... he was concerned that the media fragment spec uses
predefined identifiers x, y, t etc.
... that that would conflict with SVG elements with IDs with
those identifiers
... with media fragments you always have to put something after
the identifier with =
... I don't think that problem actually occurs
DS: there's a problem with using
barename hash with media values
... it makes sense with video for that resource to have time
information
... but what if you visit an HTML page which contains a
video
... sites like youtube pass the fragment into the video
... seems fragile but maybe ok
... but what about an HTML or SVG page that has multiple media
resources
... what if you want to target only one of those
resources
... e.g. two videos and four soundtracks
... the application lets you take clips from each one of
those
... and lets you mix them together
... I want to target the timepoint of just one video
CC: it depends how many timelines you have in your document
DS: yes, how do you target just
one
... I don't think there's a mechanism for that
... what do you do?
... how do you parameterise it?
... what if I want to target one video and the italian
audiotrack?
CC: that's not up to the media
fragments spec
... it's up to the document to do what it wants with the
time
DS: I'm concerned that that's
fragile
... there's no way of targetting a specific element with a
specific time
... making the document do it all is more work for the
application
CM: sounds like an issue for the
media fragments spec
... Dirk's concern was more with incompatibility with SVG
syntax
... I still don't think there's incompatibility
... but being able to address multiple times within a
multi-resource document sounds like something to be solved
within media fragments
... and not related to integrating with SVG
ED: so there are no incompatibilities?
CM: not unless we allow IDs with
= signs
... but currently they are XML Names so we're ok
ED: would we have to special case fragments in SVG? or just point to media fragments?
CM: we might want to reformulate
svgViews as a type of hash that falls under the media fragment
scheme
... or just make it a top-level switch: either viewbox or media
fragment
... it would probably have to stay separate
DS: I think we need to work with
them
... I'd like to raise a slightly different issue around
IDs
... they are currently XML Names
... I see so many files that are invalid because people want to
use a number for an ID
... I don't know why IDs starting with numbers aren't
allowed
... but in retrospect it seems ridiculous
... now you have to do, e.g. id="e1" or id="_1"
... do you think it's reasonable we go against that
... there are two communities: do the XML thing; or, people
want to use numbers so let them
... do you think it might be worth allow a different
microsyntax for IDs to allow numbers?
CM: seems reasonable, since HTML allows it
DS: we'd have to disallow = signs for compatibility with media fragments
CM: I think id was moving from
HTMLElement/SVGElement to Element in the IDL
... so if there's a single place for it, then it should have
consistent behavior
... and it's good from an authors expectations point of
view
DS: I'd like to align with HTML/DOM here
ED: I agree
CM: I don't think HTML does any special with what follows the # but just makes it all an ID ref
DS: do you think we could resolve to use the HTML production?
CM: the HTML spec says "an opaque
string"
... there's some trickiness with non-ASCII values
... and special URL encoding
... but I'd be in favour of aligning here
RESOLUTION: we will
align HTML/DOM on ID attribute values (incl. numbers as the
first character)
... we will work to avoid conflict in our fragment identifiers
with Media Fragments
rssagent, make minutes
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