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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Date: 12 June 2012
AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012AprJun/0008.html. Any change requests?
AB: any short announcements for
today? The only one I had is that the IndieUI WG has finally
and we will talk about its Task Force with WebEvents WG during
... any other announcements?
RB: I work for Google
… lead a team here
… one item is adding touch to Chrome
… and want to do it in a standard way
… would be best if the TE spec was already a Recommendation
… would like to add semantics on top of the Touch API
AB: thanks Rick and welcome to the group
AB: The Touch Events PAG http://www.w3.org/2012/01/touch-pag-charter
had a call last week for the first time since April https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-te-pag/.
... the set of disclosures http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/45559/status#current-disclosures is one patent and five patent applications, all from Apple.
... the PAG's discussions are all Member confidential.
DS: WGs do not discuss specific patents
… and we will not do so today
… PAGs, however, are the right place to discuss patents
… PAGs look at the disclosed patents and/or patent applications
… and ultimately, the PAG makes a recommendation to the WG on what to do next
… Among the possible recommendations are: proceed with the spec as is, change the spec, stop the work, etc.
[ Art and Doug summarized the Member-confidential discussions of the PAG … ]
AB: as previously announced
the IndieUI Task Force (TF) http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/IUITF
had its first call on June 6 http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html.
... the IndieUI WG is under the Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI). AFAIU, it is the first WG within WAI to do its technical work in Public.
... as described in the IndieUI WG's charter http://www.w3.org/2012/05/indie-ui-charter#deliverables, a joint WG TF is used to make provide flexibility for Members that may have some IP/patents in this area.
... anyone in the WebEvents WG may participate in this TF but you have to ask Doug to register you. I agreed to do some "recruiting" within this WG so please consider joining this TF and telling other people about it. I think the work is going to be very interesting and useful.
... the TF will work on two specs: 1) IndieUI User Events; 2) IndieUI User Context. Based on discussion during the TF's June 6 call, my expectation is that at least Apple will provide input(s) for the User Events spec and that at least IBM will provide inputs for the User Context.
... any questions, comments, concerns, etc. re this TF?
... I want to push the TF to make Calls for Input for the 2 specs
... any questions, comments, concerns, etc. re this TF?
SM: I don't think there are enough browser vendors participating
DS: yes, I can understand that concern
… but Apple is of course a browser vendor
… I think people familiar with API design and implementation would be welcome in the TF
RB: I am interested
… but not sure on the time commitment
… A11Y is important to us
… If can do something like "capture the semantics of zooming"
… then I'd be very interested
… and could help get an implementation into Webkit and Chrome
… Gestures like rotate are important too
… We need standards for this
AB: I think Doug and I have an ongoing action to keep the WebEvents WG up to date on the status of the TF
RB: theres' a lot of stuff that could be done in this area
… so some prioritization work needs to be done
… and I think the TF already had some discusssion about the need for UCs and Requirements
DS: good point
… it needs to get on the agenda for a TF call
… as that will help with the prioritization
… We will get to UCs and Reqs in an upcoming TF meeting
AB: yes, that's an important task for Doug and I to push
… Sangwhan, I agree with the concern about browser vendors
DS: remember, one can join the TF and lurk
… Since there are Joint deliverables, if IndieUI specs are important, it makes sense to join the TF
RB: thanks for the feedback on the participation
… I was concerned about overcommitment
DS: I don't think that will be a problem
… Do you agree Art?
RB: I was concerned about the Good Standing requirement
DS: I will push back about the GS requirement
AB: I have already pushed back about the GS requirement
<mbrubeck1> Also, if you are going to miss a telcon (or have just missed one) you can send regrets by email instead.
AB: do you know Matt if Mozilla is interested in IndieUI?
MB: yes, there is interest
DS: we would love to have implementers involved
AB: +1 to what Doug said
CC: is Microsoft a member of the IndieUI WG?
AB: no, not at the moment
AB: then next call will be when
there is a need for a meeting
... anything else for today?
RB: has there been discussion about what a browser should do to emulate a touch?
MB: we talked about that a little
… there is a little non-normative info about that
… and deliberately vague until implementers can give us something more concrete to say
RB: I don't think we have enough data either
… but will be difficult to write apps to handle mouse and touch events
MB: we do have some info in the spec about the start and stop events
RB: we have some apps that break when touch and mouse events are used together
… RIM uses a meta tag to help with this problem
SM: think moving to a unified event model makes sense
SG: agree we need to move to a unified event model
DS: yes, moving to something like Msft's pointer model may be good
… or to see what Sangwhan has specified
RB: so, it's good to see this is in scope for the WebEvents WG
DS: good to have more implementers
MB: yes, and getting someone from Android browser would be good too
RB: I can try to find the right person
SM: if anyone has comments on my
proposal or the Msft pointer model, that would be great
... fyi, Anders_Höckersten left Opera
AB: meeting adjourned
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