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sh: discussion on papers for te mobile webminar
took place; 5 papers were accepted
... there is also a proposed format for the webinar
... yeliz is going to be the chair for he symposium; simon and shadi will be
managing zakim; peter will take care of questions
... the format is
www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility#SYmposium_Format
saz: shadi would like to be the interface with the system handling registration, assign an ID to participants, to start the call
<shawn> last time announcement: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0120.html
sh: how is the registration handled?
saz: shadi and shawn will manage it by sending out a message
<shawn> previous registration announcement: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0120.html
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/mobile/
sh: to sort out the agenda for the webinar, announcements, acceptance of papers, etc
saz: ideally tonight we could announce the program of the webinar
<yeliz> around 2 hours
<yeliz> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility#Symposium_Format
<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0120.html
<yeliz> I agree with simon
<yeliz> according to our initial plan
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to suggest a 10+ minute beforehand to get people connected, setup, etc.
<peter> would be nice to have the extra buffer time .5 hours
<yeliz> it will be less than 2 hours
<yeliz> but just in case
<yeliz> no paper presentation
<peter> time boxing is always nice to keep focus
shawn: I thought there would be more Q&A than paper presentations
<yeliz> committee has comments on papers
<yeliz> in OpenConf
sh: nobody from the scientific committee submitted papers
<yeliz> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility#Symposium_Format
sh: the format is that of a panel; authors will be asked to discuss some questions, not giving presentationso fo the papers
thank you yeliz
<yeliz> Please edit the wiki page
<yeliz> so we can use it for the following symposiums
giorgio: I suggest involving the authors earlier than the start and ask them to think of questions to pose to other presenters
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility#Symposium_Format
<vivienne> +1 to the format
<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0120.html
<yeliz> we can also possibly shorten 15 minutes to 10 minutes
<yeliz> if we want to shorten the symposium duration
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/metrics-registration/
<yeliz> but I think having 15 minutes will give us flexibility
yeliz, you could assume 15 as the maximum time.
<yeliz> UK time?
<yeliz> 15:00? UK time? 16:00
<shadi> RESOLUTION: mobile accessibility symposium on 25 June at 15:00-17:00 UTC
<shawn> +1 to asking for questions on the regirstation form
sh: it would be good to ask registrants to pose during registration their own question
<yeliz> +1
+1
<Yehya> +1
<shadi> ACTION: shadi to add question for participants to suggest questions to the questionnaire [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-rd-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Add question for participants to suggest questions to the questionnaire [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-06-13].
<peter> +1
<christos> +1
<klaus> +1
<sharper> +1
<yeliz> Shadi, can you email us the updated version of the symposium
<markel> +1
<yeliz> and we can get back to you
saz: please give me or shawn feedback about the announcement message
<yeliz> wouldn't that be OK?
saz: by tonight
... on Monday the announcement will be sent out
<yeliz> me too
<yeliz> +1
+1
<peter> sure
<yeliz> That sounds great
<vivienne> +1
<Yehya> +1
<yeliz> I think that would be great
saz: shall we decide the accepted papers?
sh: 5 papers will be accepted; 1 is rejected
<yeliz> +1
<peter> yup
sh: as soon SH sends the outcome to authors shadi can go on
sh: summary of what happened last week
... there is going to be a strong connection between the two topics
... there is like a 25% overlap between the 2 topics
... we could release the text customization pre-call without having to wait
for the e2r one
klaus: I prefer to deal first with text customization, which will have implictions on e2r
<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_pre-call
shawn: i'm fine
sh: shoud the precall go out as it is now
written?
... sh: please read the precall draft
<vivienne> sounds good to me
<peter> Quick question about the pre-call
good for me
<christos> ok by me
<Yehya> +1
saz: papers should me no more than 1000 words; shall we say we want "extended abstracts"?
<peter> "This pre-call for papers provides some information; more details will follow in the coming weeks." just a reminder not to forget to come back to this bit :-)
shawn: we could take that out alltogether
gb: suggests to say "extended abstract of about 1000 words"
shawn: the goal is to communicate that we don't want full papers
vivienne: as an author I'd like to know how long
the thing has to be
... short paper is too ambiguous
peter: giorgio cannot hear you
<peter> (unrelated perhaps)
<peter> "..guidance for user agent developers, standards developers, policy makers.." /standards developers/Web standards developers/ does this specificity have historical importance?
<peter> *he* may be :-)
<peter> What I mean is standards is quite broad
<peter> I worry about this in the mobile symposium also
<peter> So we are looking outside the W3
<peter> ah ok - nm then :-)
shawn: I is text customization covered by standards and how it could better handled by standards
<peter> yup good thanks Shawn
<Zakim> shadi, you wanted to talk about pointer to related e2r symposium
sh: what do say as a limit/guideline for authors?
<vivienne> approximately works for me
<shawn> "Papers should be about 1000 words"
<markel> +1
saz: agrees with giorgio's formulation
<christos> +1
<vivienne> +1
<yeliz> OK with me
<yeliz> +1
+1
<peter> +1
<Yehya> +1
<sharper> +1
<klaus> +1
<yeliz> I prefer page numbers
<yeliz> but that's just me
<yeliz> :)
<shawn> {@@draft new text:}Related topics may be addressed in additional symposia, such as easy-to-read (E2R) language; assistive technologies and personal assistance for text illustration and enrichment (e.g., text annotation with symbols, pictures, and multimedia content; audio display and information design); and text conversion and machine translation.
<peter> agree about mentioning other symposium in the tex
<peter> t
<klaus> yes
saz: do we need to say that there will be a subsequent webinar on e2r
shawn: I'm going to post a rewritten sentence
<shawn> Related topics will be addressed in a related symposium on Easy-to-Read (E2R) language, including \assistive technologies and personal assistance for text illustration and enrichment (e.g., text annotation with symbols, pictures, and multimedia content; audio display and information design); and text conversion and machine translation.
<yeliz> +1
+1
<klaus> excellent
<vivienne> +1
<sharper> +1
<peter> +1
<Yehya> +1
<christos> +1
sh: do we want to keep the dates as written there?
shawn: the current formulation gives us enough flexibility
<yeliz> +1
<klaus> +1
<Yehya> +1
<markel> +1
<vivienne> +1
sh: is this precall ready to be distrubuted?
+1
<christos> +1
<peter> Just please update this before sending "This pre-call for papers provides some information; …"
<peter> +1
<sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists
sh: how soon does klaus think the precall for e2r will be ready?
klaus: in a couple of weeks
sh: I won't be here next week; shadi will chair the next rdwg meeting
sh: if people could see what the output of a webinar is they could be persuaded to contribute to next ones
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/
saz: what people say to add a link to the editor draft in the previous page?
<shawn> +1 to including link to editors' draft (clearly indicated)
+1
<markel> I'm happy about that
<vivienne> I'm okay with that
<christos> +1
<Yehya> +1
<sharper> +1
<yeliz> +1
sh: are we going to add a list opf the participants to the webinar?
<markel> on the note there's a list of contributors
<shadi> ACTION: shadi to add Editor Note to the Metrics Symposium Page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-rd-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Add Editor Note to the Metrics Symposium Page [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-06-13].
<shawn> [ i wonder if we need to get permission before listing participants? --if so, need to include that in the registration]
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<yeliz> I agree we definetely need to get permissions
<shadi> ACTION: shadi to add question about agreement to publish name on the symposium page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-rd-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-29 - Add question about agreement to publish name on the symposium page [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-06-13].
<yeliz> Lets not do anything with the first one
<yeliz> and for the following ones, we make sure that it is asked on the following symposium registrations
<yeliz> +1
<vivienne> yes, good
<sharper> +1
<klaus> +1
sh: we should ask when regisytering if they want their name to be listed as participant
<christos> +1
+1