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Forms Working Group Teleconference

25 Apr 2012

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Steven, alain, ebruchez, pfennell
Regrets
Nick, John
Chair
Steven
Scribe
Steven

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 25 April 2012

<ebruchez> I have some trouble joining

<scribe> Scribe: Steven

replace="text" media types

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0045.html

Steven: No quorum, but let's discuss stuff.
... I don't remember the use case for replace="text" with XML types
... but maybe it's just as convincing for other non-text types (that are based on text representations)

<Steven_> scribenick: Steven_

Erik: it depends whether the contenttype is orthogonal tothe method to receive it
... you can leave the author in control

<Steven> Steven: Maybe the use case was to support SOAP

Alain: I think it's OK

Erik: It would make sense to store other types as text

Steven: We don't have quorum, so no resolution as such

Submission encoding

<Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0047.html

<inserted> scribenick: Steven

Steven: I think we need to say at least which encodings MUST be accepted

and say that others are implementation dependent\

<ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-xquery-serialization/#XML_ENCODING

Steven: Is that what XPath references?
... Oh, that is where get @encoding from

Erik: UTF8 and 16 are required, and nothing else

Steven: That is just XML right?

<ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-xquery-serialization/#TEXT_ENCODING

Erik: HTML output says the same

http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-xquery-serialization/#HTML_ENCODING

Steven: Do we signal an error?

I suppose we ought to

<inserted> scribenick: Steven

<inserted> scribenick: Steven_

Erik: It would make sense
... xforms-submit -error probably
... use the text from the xslt-serialization

Steven: Good idea

<alain> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-XMLHttpRequest-20090820/#the-setrequestheader-method

<alain> http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/

Alain: That spec doesn't allow you to set the encoding

"Terminate these steps if header is a case-insensitive match for one of the following headers:

Accept-Charset

Accept-Encoding"

Erik: It seems like the encoding is a property of a document
... I don't know why
... you specify an encoding when creating a document
... the default is UTF-8
... I don't think we need to be influenced by this

<pfennell> I've just joined on mute. Sorry I'm late.

<inserted> scribenick: Steven

Steven: Well, that doesn't contradict what we say

Erik: I think we're good.

Sounds good

Binding to text nodes

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0053.html

Steven: Are you happy with John's reply

Erik: I wouldn't say happy :-)
... I think the spec is not clear enough
... it seems we allow it; I don't mind that
... the spec is not explicit enough

Steven: Could I ask you to fix it?

Erik: A note would be good; I can write it, sure

<scribe> ACTION: erik to write spec note clarifying bind to text nodes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/25-forms-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1898 - Write spec note clarifying bind to text nodes [on Erik Bruchez - due 2012-05-02].

Added xforms 2.0 schema files to xformsusers mercurial repository

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0044.html

Steven: Just an announcement

Next two meetings

Steven: Regrets; who will take over?

Philip: I will have a go, with Nick.

FPWD

Erik: Are we close

Steven: Yes

Erik: We shouldn't wait too long

Steven: I agree; the last I remember is that Nick was asking the author of our production system for a detail in order to produce the HTML version.

(we'll have to ask Nick offline).

<alain> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2012Apr/0002.html

<alain> http://www.oyranos.org/future/

Forms comparisons mail

Steven: Isn't webforms 2 the same as HTML5?

Erik: They merged, but some features of WF didn't make it into HTML5

<ebruchez> http://blog.orbeon.com/2012/02/does-xforms-need-to-be-implemented.html

<ebruchez> http://wiki.orbeon.com/forms/orbeon-forms-faq/faq-xforms#TOC-How-does-Web-Forms-2.0-compare-with-XForms-Does-Orbeon-plan-to-implement-it-

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2012Apr/0002.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/25-forms-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1899 - Reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2012Apr/0002.html [on Steven Pemberton - due 2012-05-02].

AOB

Alain: I have joined EXPath CG

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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: erik to write spec note clarifying bind to text nodes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/25-forms-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Steven to reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2012Apr/0002.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/25-forms-minutes.html#action02]
 
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