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Date: 5 April 2012
<scribe> Meeting: 211
<scribe> Scribe: Norm
<scribe> ScribeNick: Norm
No regrets heard
<scribe> No progress reported. All actions continued. Except Murray's :-)
<ht> MM: Alex M's draft from 4/06
<ht> ... Some of the content is moved around abit
<ht> ... Some stuff from the Wiki moved in to the introduction
<ht> ... Added annotation to each use-case/req'd to identify their state
<ht> ... So that we can do an audit
<ht> NW: Two comments
<ht> ... 1) Now that we have a document, it should be the location of record for Vnext use cases and req'ts
<ht> JF: Should we in fact close off the wiki?
<ht> NW: Not necessary, although put something at the top pointing to this doc't ASAP
<ht> JF: I was worried about synchronisation
<ht> NW: 2) There are use cases which we have satisfied, and those should not show up
<ht> ... Either via annotation and stylesheet or by just deleting
<ht> AM: Do we see this as a Vnext-only requirements doc't, or an update to the old one?
<ht> NW: Could go either way
<ht> AM: I'd like to at least clean up, or even get rid of, some of the early use cases, e.g. from me
<ht> ... At very least don't make sense 'as is'
<ht> NW: We could be _really_ good and include XProc pipelines that show how we satisfied the old ones
<ht> NW: What I really care about is distinguishing old from new, so we see what we really have to work on
<ht> AM: I completely agree
<ht> MM: Yes, the old stuff is there so we can do the audit
<ht> AM: Is this all of the old ones?
<ht> MM: Yes -- I started from the old source to do this, didn't remove anything
<ht> JF: I think doing a case-by-case audit is a good idea
<ht> NM: On telcon, or offline?
<alexmilowski> Hmm… having trouble with T-mobile … no signal at all. :(
<ht> MM: I anticipated doing it offline
<ht> MM: I was hoping AM would make a pass
<ht> HST: Note that AM has lost audio
<ht> MM: I'll speak to him later
<ht> NM: Right, so would everyone please have a go at reviewing the use cases, and if appropriate drafting an XProc snippets
<ht> AM: I will have a look when I can, and work with MM
<ht> AM: What I'm missing is what we've agreed about the primary goals of Vnext
<ht> ACTION: NM to find the discussion of goals in the minutes and distill some prose for use in the Reqts Doc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-xproc-minutes.html#action01]
<ht> AM: Do we want to divy up the use cases
<ht> NM: My thought was that we would give people a week to read this, and then decide on tactics
<ht> AM: We did go over the req't doc for V1 -- did the outcome of that review turn up in the test suite?
<ht> NM: In some cases, but there is no metadata which records that fact
<ht> JF: Add tests to the test suite as we articulate new req'ts?
<ht> AM: Could be difficult, e.g. for DB access
<ht> JF: Test could be informal
<ht> AM: I'd think the new req'ts docs is the right place for informal/prose test cases
<ht> ... Indeed they are important, and need to be in the doc
<ht> NM: So yes, that argues for leaving the old ones in, as long as their state (solved, won't fix, etc.) is easily evident
<ht> AM: What happened with our charter renewal?
<ht> NM: LQ has made a draft, I've reviewed it, it started up the chain, we will get it again
<ht> AM: Hiccup?
<ht> NM: Yes, but resolved -- we will be rechartered to do a VNext if the req'ts review says we need one
<alexmilowski> If only the w3c didn't use CVS
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