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<scribe> scribe: jamesn
<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120319techs/
<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_track_element_to_provide_captions
<Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say that if you have a technique you think is not ready then mention it when you mail it to us
MC: wikis are designed to be
collaborative edit spaces. Ideally folks should just add to
wiki pages
... if we get that really going with the group - the wiki has
features so you can look at what is being worked on
... you can put a note in. Wikis also have talk page
... not sur ewe should do that - but it is there
notes it is "Discussion" on our wiki
LGR: hopes this is ready to go. Was revised based on previous comments
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to mention that wikis are meant to be collaborative editing spaces...
DM: notes doesn't think translation should be in description
LGR: lifted directly from
html5
... the test procedure notes that must be in the language of
the video
... the test procedure does not permit the kind of track this
note discusses
... moved dicussion into the note from before
... concerned if we don't say this then it would be construed
as not meeting the need
... lots of confusion concerning caption and subtitle
... used pretty interchangeably
... in common usage
... HTML5 is pretty clear. Carefully distinguished
... important distinction is does it contain sound effect info
etc.
JG: if there are both subtitles and captions is there a way for the user to select which is displayedx
JOC: support is pretty good in major browsers for html5 video controls
<Loretta> we can hear you, JOn.
<Joshue108> +q
LGR: there may be a way to provide the language of the video
<David> Could we add two bullets: Captions = dialogue+other audio sounds .... Subtitles= dialogue, usually in different language from the video
JN: concerned we are overthinking this
LGR: change the subtitle line to
be a cpation line
... add that this is an english video in the source code
(whatever way that is shown)
JG: add an example 2 about multiple languages
LGR: we have stayed agnostic about the format of the cpation file
JOC: would be very useful to show
someone how to get started in cpations
... it is relatively straightforward but can be difficult to
get started
LGR: i'D like there to be a
resource we can poiint people to
... if we document any format we open pandora's box
... the techniques are showing how to associate them together
in the technology
DM: I'm confused why we have different language cpations
LGR: In terms of WCAG if you are putting up a french video and have english subtitles there is no need in wcag to have english captions too
looks good to me now
LGR: has everyone reviewed the updated example
JOC: concerned about srt
extension
... lets leave it
LGR: happy to change to what we agree on
<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
JOC: basic idea is that a long description could be referenced by aria-describedby and pushed off screen
<Ryladog> +q
<Joshue108> JN: While we are doing HTML5 techs, I think this is a broader issue.
<Joshue108> -q
<Joshue108> +q
<Ryladog> +1
<Joshue108> -q
<jongund> I have another call
<Loretta> Oops - skype just cut me off. Sorry!
<Joshue108> no worries
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