W3C

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SVG Working Group Teleconference

08 Mar 2012

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
+1.415.832.aaaa, +61.2.980.5.aabb, krit, cyril, +33.9.53.77.aacc, Tav, ed, ChrisL
Regrets
Chair
ed
Scribe
krit

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 08 March 2012

dschulze@adobe.com

<scribe> scribe: krit

scribenic: krit

<scribe> scribenick: krit

ed: first topic time changes
... australia with the latest change?
... 3 weeks time all transit. Then we review chnages to times

cyril: I think we should switch to morning in europe

Tav: doesn't work for the damn americans

<ChrisL> lol

cyril: doesn't work for east coste

cabanier: what about west coast

cyril: haha

Tav: 1h later in europe one hour later in australia last year

<ed> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=05&day=01&year=2012&hour=20&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 shows 20.00 UTC May 1, 2012

krit: cabanier: 1 hour later is fine for us

<ed> so, sydney 6am... maybe not great

cabanier: 1 earlier is not that good for australia

cyril: we should check with cameron

krit: stay for now?

ed: stay till 3 weeks when all countries switched

cyril: 2 more weeks

ed: keep the time for 2 more weeks

… more discussions about time shift

ed: no decision now?

all: lets stay for the next 2 weeks

resolution: keep the time for 2 weeks

<scribe> ACTION: erik will send a mail for time shift and time change [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3245 - Will send a mail for time shift and time change [on Erik Dahlström - due 2012-03-15].

next topic: template for tests

ChrisL: mails on mailing list

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/0142.html

Tav: cameron said that html tag inside svg and try to add html inside svg you'' break

ChrisL: cameron suggested a lot more chnages
... he seems to wnat to have a whole new layer

Tav: link and meta are not part of svg

ChrisL: we had a resolution to add them
... anyway we should ask peter
... wecould add it to our svg naemspace

ed: html5's parsing algorithm would break out into html mode if we didn't parent the link and meta elements inside a foreignobject

ChrisL: it seems to be a clear resolution that al changes might break html5 parsing. for those test we need something different

Tav: cameron suggestions is a bit simplper

ChrisL: i didn't like it

<ChrisL> I think he has oversimplified and it will loose functionality

Tav: he is not removing anything
... he just implementes in another way
... he is just not put html5 into ahead

??

Tav: th eproblem with meta tag.
... he still has a data tag

Tach if an html5 parser finds a link in a svg tag

ChrisL: what happens?

Tav: I don't know

ChrisL: html parser don't care about the tags at all
... a framwork in place to start writing tests
... otherwise they don't get it wrten

ed: I prefer simplified structure
... no namespaces

Tav: I agree

ChrisL: we had the test criteria … where did it went?

Tav: the test harness has to be modified to do that

ChrisL: is that in the head and a meta
... simplicity is goood

but

Tav: link to the different parts of the spec
... and which parts it needs to pass

<Tav> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/format

Tav: test assertions:

ChrisL: it is all in the content attribute
... no markup at all

Tav: above in the spec links, there is a link that tells you what part of the spec gets tested

ChrisL: thats fine

<cyril> http://w3c-test.org/framework/ seems broken

<ed> the tags that break out of "foreign" mode (aka SVG in html): http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#parsing-main-inforeign (link is not among those)

ChrisL: ok

ed: meta does break out

Tav: link is ok

ed: yes

Tav: you still need sth for the tags
... description is ok

ed: could we use svg metadata element?

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/metadata.html

ed: just sth to put test meta data on
... should be fine

ChrisL: would be fine than
... peter should know what we want to do

ed: metadata should replace meta eleemnt
... link lists all the tags that break out
... link element would get unknown svg element
... needs verification

ChrisL: so no other namespace, no head
... just metadata?

<ed> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Csvg%3E%0D%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0D%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D5%2F%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E

ed: I dont see a circle in opera and safari

<ChrisL> <!DOCTYPE html>

<ChrisL> <svg>

<ChrisL> <link/>

<ChrisL> <circle r=200>

ChrisL: I see the circle in FF with this example

Tav: I don't

<ChrisL> ff11beta6

ed: I don't see a circle either

Tav: now I see
... I put a space before the slash

<ed> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Csvg%3E%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D100%20%2F%3E%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E

cyril: we should move on

ChrisL: we should have a decision

ed: link is fine

resolution: we will use the link element as proposed. Use metadata instead of head and meta

<ed> example: instead of <meta name="flags" content="TOKENS" /> we will use <metadata name="flags" content="TOKENS" />

Tav: what cameron sugeested with metadat

a

Tav: basically

<Tav> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/0142.html

ed: something else on his proposal

Tav: yes, the very last thing
... that we diagree too
... other issues with copy right… a list that ChrisL sent

ed: Tav'll send a final proposal to the list

<ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements#Test_SVG_File_Template

ed: peter should review

ChrisL: ed can you edit the wiki?

ed: ok

<ChrisL> s/ ed can you edit the wiki?/I am editing the wiki

ChrisL: metadata for flags

?

<ed> <metadata name="flags" content="TOKENS" />

Tav: the desc tag for the text description

ed: should it be long or short descr?

Tav: as long as you need/

ChrisL: if we agree, than we ask peter

Tav: ok
... what about copyright

ed: use BSD for the suite

ChrisL: put the license into one place and link to it

Tav: I agree

<scribe> ACTION: ChrisL will edit the wiki page and mention how to add license and copyright [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3246 - Will edit the wiki page and mention how to add license and copyright [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-03-15].

Tav: what about revision?
... we have version controll system, so no extra revisions

ChrisL: we don't put the number in the file
... not productive to do that
... the same for the test frame

ed: agree

Tav: I tried to add the testing to the rep, but it failed

ed: ChrisLdo you edit the wiki and mention what we do about revision?

ChrisL: I will

… discussion about problems for Tav to submit stuff

ed: back to the requirements

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements#Test_SVG_File_Template

ed: resolve accept the structure of tests

<ed> agreed to the section: Structure after 8 March 2012 telcon

ed: anyone against this template?

silence

resolution: Accept the testing template

Finishing SVG 2 Requirements

<cyril> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#Xlink_additional_attributes_on_the_.3Ca.3E_element

ChrisL: we should drop xlink on <a>

ed: xlink:role, xlink:arcrole and xlink:title:title might make sense

ChrisL: title element is better than xlink:title
... we should use title element

ed: no strong objections
... fine for ,e

resolution: drop xlink attributes role, arcole, title

<ChrisL> resolution: SVG2 will drop xlink attributes role, arcole, title

resolution: SVG 2 will drop the xlink attributes role, arcole, title

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#indicating_links

ChrisL: improve text is fine

<cyril> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-IndicatingLinks

ed: we should keep it, but remove xlink:title from the spec

resolution: SVG 2 will include Improved text for the indicating links

<ChrisL> resolution: svg2 will port the text from svgt1.2 http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-IndicatingLinks

ed: next one

<scribe> new scripting featuress

Improved text for fragment identifiers link traversal

ed: svg tiny is more simple
... on media fragment
... they are not incompatible

<ChrisL> resolution: svg2 will merge the svg1.1se text and the svgt12 text on fragment identifiers link traversal

<ChrisL> oh and add media fragments

ChrisL: what about media fragments?

ed: we should look at it
... is part of the same feature
... more the same thing
... rephrase resolution?

<ChrisL> ACTION: chrisl to merge the svg1.1se and svgt1.2 fragment identifier text and consider adding in media fragments for partial images [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3247 - Merge the svg1.1se and svgt1.2 fragment identifier text and consider adding in media fragments for partial images [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-03-15].

ed: procsessing inline scripts

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#Added_text_for_Processing_Inline_Script

cyril: i expected that there were differences between svg 1.1 and 1.2 tiny

ChrisL: html5 has similar things
... we should compatible to html5

ed: reasonable

ChrisL: we should look at it in detail first
... needs an action

cyril: we already have a resolution for async,. sooo

ed: the section on tiny is very short
... you have to look at the type attribute and so on
... there is nothing similar in SVG 1.1

resolution: SVG 2 will define how inline scriptable content will be processed, in compatible way to HTML5

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#script_element_text

ed: new scriptiing features
... we should port it over 'script element text'

resolution: SVG 2 will merge SVG1.1SE and SVG 1.2 Tiny on script element text

ed: next one change erik to SVG WG and copy paste resolution on wiki page

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#Script_Processing

<cyril> RESOLUTION: SVG 2 will use the relevant parts from 1.2T and align with the html script element.

ed: next is animation

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#the_Animations_chapter

<ChrisL> erik: svgt1.2 defines what happens when there are errors in a begin-value-list

ed: tiny is more specific what to do on attribute for wrong content

resolution: SVG 2 will apply changes of SVG 1.2 tiny on animation module
... SVG 2 will apply changes from SVG 1.2 tiny to the SVG animation section

ed: fonts are no modification in tiny

<ed> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#the_xlink:href_attribute_on_.3CforeignObject.3E

ed extenisibility we have the xlink:href attribute on foreignObject

krit: do we have the same rules like for iframe if we support xlink:href?

ed: customers want to use it for some magic things, but basically as a plugin frame
... it would be fine to have it. resolution?

krit: so. should get an action to check security problems

cabanier: most rules of iframe have to apply here as well

resolution: SVG 2 will support xlink:href on foreignObject element after security verification

<scribe> ACTION: ed will verify that xlink:href won't introduce security issues on foreignObject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3248 - Will verify that xlink:href won't introduce security issues on foreignObject [on Erik Dahlström - due 2012-03-15].

10 items left + 11 without decision

<ed> trackbot, end telcon

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: chrisl to merge the svg1.1se and svgt1.2 fragment identifier text and consider adding in media fragments for partial images [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: ChrisL will edit the wiki page and mention how to add license and copyright [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ed will verify that xlink:href won't introduce security issues on foreignObject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: erik will send a mail for time shift and time change [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action01]
 
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