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<Joshue108> scribeNick: Bruce
<Bailey> Main concern is people taking up techniques
<Bailey> LGR: Rough drafts encouraged
<Bailey> Adam working on resize
<Bailey> David working on landmarks
<Bailey> Question if David work got into survey?
<Bailey> Discuss approach to write up, when to separate, when to group.
<Bailey> ACTION: All -- take a look a davids technique [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/05-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]
<Bailey> Josh working on section elements
<Bailey> Bruce thinks to works on data table techniques this week.
<Loretta> Loretta: I *will* write up the track technqiues this week...
<Bailey> ITEM: Using ARIA Landmarks
<Bailey> Survey was closed 2012-01-26
<Bailey> Issue with commenting on closed survey.
<Bailey> Loretta making up survey for new comments.
<Bailey> Providing real-time feedback to David. David editing in wiki.
<Bailey> Discussion of techniques which really only benefit AT screen reader users.
<Bailey> Adam to add this talking point in survey response.
<Bailey> open issue Using ARIA landmarks
<Joshue108> For anyone not on the call who wishes to comment on the ARIA landmarks technique please visit http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120305misc/
<Bailey> David raises question of HTML5 vs. HTML4/XHTML issues. This is good example of that because DIV is a hack compared to elements available in HTML5.
<Loretta> ok, I added some comments to the survey.
<Joshue108> me too
<Joshue108> and Adam
<David> moving to text in irc...
<Bailey> Discussing survey responses.
<Bailey> Discussing how much user agent support required for a technique to be sufficient.
<Bailey> Techniques must be specific to Success Criteria.
<Bailey> It is possible that some ARIA techniques may not map directly to S.C.
<Bailey> Advisory techniques not followed nearly as much as sufficient techniques.
<Bailey> Loretta provides examples using heading for organization and navigation.
<Bailey> Recall that H69 as sufficient is being criticized and may be reduced to advisory at some point.
<David> i have to step away to figure out the jackhammer... be back in 2 minutes
<Bailey> Issue: Concern that some ARIA may end up being purely advisory.
<Bailey> Sufficiency on a per-SC basis.
<Bailey> Proposed: Work from SC and look for ARIA techniques rather than from ARIA techniques to SC.
<David> back but on mute
<Bailey> Loretta points out that this is the way techniques are organized now.
<Joshue108> ACTION: Josh to check if ARIA roles etc are mapped to success criteria they may satisfy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/05-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action02]
<Bailey> Loretta points out that landmark roles not listed as sufficient for 1.3.1
<adam> sorry but i have to leave in two minutes
<Bailey> May need to combine ARIA with scripting
<Loretta> H70: Using frame elements to group blocks of repeated material (HTML) AND H64: Using the title attribute of the frame and iframe elements (HTML)
<Bailey> Combining techniques (e.g. ARIA plus scripting) has been used for satisfying SC
<Bailey> Consensus is importance with ARIA being non-advisory techniques
<Bailey> Discussion on proof-of-concept for navigating by keyboard.
<Joshue108> ACTION: Josh to find out if anyone is interested in creating accessibility test cases that go beyond screen reader use. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/05-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action03]
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