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HTML Weekly Teleconference

01 Mar 2012

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Mark_Vickers, kimberly, [Microsoft], Sam, hober, paulc, +1.760.591.aaaa, Clarke, Julian, Mike, +1.858.735.aacc, glenn, adrianba, MarkW, pchampin, eliot, Radhika_Roy
Regrets
Chair
rubys
Scribe
hober

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 01 March 2012

<scribe> ScribeNick: hober

Action items due by Thursday, March 1

rubys: there are none

New Issues This Week:

rubys: there are none

Items Closed Last Week

ISSUE-172?

<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- postponed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172

rubys: all the proposals were withdrawn

ISSUE-187?

<trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187

ISSUE-190?

<trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190

rubys: call for alternates closed

ISSUE-191?

<trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191

ISSUE-192?

<trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192

ISSUE-200?

<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200

rubys: extended the deadline, closed Feb 26

ISSUE-182?

<trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182

ISSUE-188?

<trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way agnostic of the specific caption format -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188

rubys: both had CfCs that closed 2/28

Items Closing This Week

ISSUE-189?

<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189

rubys: closes today

Items Closing Next Week

ISSUE-204?

<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204

rubys: chairs have provided feedback, would like to see a response by 3/10

New Calls this week

three CfCs due 3/7

ISSUE-170?

<trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- make URIs valid link relations -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170

ISSUE-190?

<trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with multiple images -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190

ISSUE-192?

<trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192

ISSUE-200?

<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200

rubys: one proposal received
... call for counter or alternate proposals closes 3/28

New Surveys this week

rubys: there are none

Decisions this week

ISSUE-172?

<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- postponed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172

rubys: closed without prejudice and deferred
... all proposals were withdrawn

Other Business

rubys: CfC to publish ten heartbeat drafts as WDs

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0247.html

rubys: call went out, one objection, currently discussing that objection

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0425.html

paulc: i assume the chairs will have to rule here?

rubys: yes

paulc: we should let the wg know we'll attempt to do that today

rubys: ok
... Encrypted Media proposal has generated a lot of discussion on the list
... it's not clear what the intended path of the document is
... we are monitoring the discussion

adrianba: i can clarify the intention
... we submitted the proposal for 2 reasons
... came out of the web and tv ig's submission to the wg
... lengthy discussion at tpac
... primarily made the submission for the IG's requirements

ISSUE-179?

<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179

adrianba: this proposal demonstrates the ability to add functionality to media elements without resorting to <param>
... current list discussion falls into two categories
... do people even want to work on such a proposal
... and specific feedback on things people would like clarified / changed in the draft
... we are improving the proposal based on this feedback
... perhaps forming a tf to work on this spec
... that way the people not interested wouldn't have to see the list traffic
... looking for guidance on how to move this proposal forward

rubys: i would support a tf
... next step is to push for a fpwd

adrianba: fpwd may be too high a hurdle right now

paulc: should we create a bugzilla component for you?

adrianba: that would be helpful, yes

paulc: in the past we've made sure TFs have clear leadership, communication channels, etc.
... i can do what i did for the a11y and testing TFs

<scribe> ACTION: paulc to set up an encrypted media propsal task force, due next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Set up an encrypted media propsal task force, due next week [on Paul Cotton - due 2012-03-08].

paulc: adrianba, can you be my contact?

adrianba: yes

MikeSmith: i can set up the bugzilla component right now

paulc: can you easily roll that back?

MikeSmith: yes

paulc: ok, go ahead and do that
... i will include you on the tf setup emails

<Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to ask if I should set up the bugzilla component

rubys: CfC to adopt time syntax changes

ISSUE-183?

<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183

rubys: objections were due by 2/29
... likely this will pass
... review of second reopen request for issue 31b [alt-location]
... we weren't able to find sufficient new information
... have suggested ways to improve the request
... Chair Review of the Change Proposals for ISSUE-179

ISSUE-179?

<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179

<glenn> expect to update issue-179 CP based on chairs feedback b4 next telcon

rubys: expecting issue to be updated given our feedback by march 22nd
... late change proposal for ISSUE-198

ISSUE-198?

<trackbot> ISSUE-198 -- Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are subject to the W3C patent policy -- closed

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/198

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0371.html

rubys: we got a proposal after we had marked the issue as deferred
... chairs are discussing how to proceed

glenn: the dom parsing and serialization spec is a whatwg document; do we expect it to be brought into the w3c?

rubys: that's actively being discussed
... it may be brought into one of two different WGs
... plan to submit CP for ISSUE-203

ISSUE-203?

<trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0002.html

rubys: CP came in this morning

paulc: chairs are actively reviewing the CP

ISSUE-187?

<trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over the time -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187

rubys: chairs have requested for clarification and received clarification

ISSUE-191?

<trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191

<MikeSmith> glenn, DOM Parsing and Serialization is listed as deliverable in the draft WebApps WG charter which will soon go out to the AC for review

rubys: chairs requested update; the proposal is missing several necessary components

<glenn> ok, thanks mikesmith

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Mar/0011.html

rubys: May F2F for WebApps and HTML
... Microsoft has volunteered to host
... in silicon valley

paulc: at tpac, chairs decided to host a spring meeting
... april timeframe didn't work, need a lot of advanced notice to get corporate space
... MSFT will host first week in May
... chairs are looking for feedback on those dates
... this is in addition to meeting at tpac in november

Scribe for next meeting

rubys: any volunteers?

paulc: i'm due to chair

rubys: i won't be available to scribe

<glenn> can scribe if no others

rubys: thanks glenn

Adjournment

<MikeSmith> Encrypted Media Extensions component added, https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describecomponents.cgi?product=HTML%20WG -- with adrianba set at the default assignee

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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: paulc to set up an encrypted media propsal task force, due next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
 
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