IRC log of text on 2012-02-21
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/21-text-irc
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/21-text-minutes.html janina
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see ??P0
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, janina, Zakim
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- zakim, ??P0 is Janina
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- +Janina; got it
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- zakim, agenda?
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 3. discuss CP for WG location of alt guidance, and recommend for TF support as appropriate http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt [from janina]
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- 4. discuss CP for figcaption [from janina]
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- 5. confirm status up to date at http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status [from janina]
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- 6. note any procedural issues needing clarification [from janina]
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- 7. confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn [from janina]
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- zakim, remove 3
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- I don't understand 'remove 3', janina
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- zakim, drop item 3
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- agendum 3, discuss CP for WG location of alt guidance, and recommend for TF support as appropriate http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt, dropped
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- zakim, drop item 4
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- agendum 4, discuss CP for figcaption, dropped
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- zakim, drop item 5
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- agendum 5, confirm status up to date at http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status, dropped
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- zakim, drop item 6
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- agendum 6, note any procedural issues needing clarification, dropped
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- zakim, drop item 7
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- agendum 7, confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn, dropped
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- zakim, agenda?
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- I see nothing remaining on the agenda
- 18:03:59 [janina]
- agenda+ discuss meta-name generator re-open denial, and further revisions or formal objection http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/0141.html
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- agenda+ discuss actions as needed in response to 204 (ARIA describedby as it relates to longdesc)
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- agenda+ confirm CP revisions for WG location of alt guidance http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
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- agenda+ update regarding figcaption
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- agenda+ confirm status up to date at http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status agenda+ note any procedural issues needing clarification or coordination
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- agenda+ confirm next meeting (note CSUN next week); identify next scribe; adjourn
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- +Judy
- 18:08:46 [janina]
- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Janina, Judy
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, janina, Zakim
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +Laura_Carlson
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- 18:16:48 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 8
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- agendum 8. "discuss meta-name generator re-open denial, and further revisions or formal objection http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/0141.html" taken up
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- ... [from janina]
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- scribe: david
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- scribe: David
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- JB: There is considerable concern that chairs do not understand the arguments of the meta Generator proposal, do not understand the propsal
- 18:21:14 [David]
- Janina: main issue... whether or not in a CMS there still is a need for alt text...
- 18:22:46 [laura]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming#current_usage_of_meta_name.3Dgenerator_.28New.29
- 18:23:48 [David]
- Janina: important to understand that there is no CMS that prevent the ability to provide ALT text,
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126#HTML5_Should_Not_Facilitate_the_Creation_of_Inaccessible_Content
- 18:26:16 [David]
- Laura: not only CMS but all kinds of authoring tools. Dreamweaver etc...
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- Laura: they all allow alt text to be created which conforms to WCAG
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- -Judy
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- +Judy
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- rrsagent, make log team
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/21-text-minutes.html Judy
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- Judy: We need to better emphasize that the user requirement for alt is real, but getting left out of the decision-making process.
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- Janina: the evidence that they're requesting is taking us off on tangents; they are missing the main points.
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 9. "discuss actions as needed in response to 204 (ARIA describedby as it relates to longdesc)" taken up [from janina]
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- JB: ARIA Described by... have requested a coordination meeting regarding procedural problems.
- 18:42:34 [laura]
- http://john.foliot.ca/aria-hidden/
- 18:44:21 [Judy]
- rrsagent, make log public
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- JB: notes that John Foliot collecting examples to disprove the premise of the 204 call for proposal
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- ...he needs to post it onto the lists
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- Janina: or analyze it first
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- JB: i'll suggest that he posts it
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- JS: FYI, there is 'vestigial' text in ARIA that needs to be updated...
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 10. "confirm CP revisions for WG location of alt guidance http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt" taken up [from janina]
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- -Laura_Carlson
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- JS: sent survey on SF CP on WG location of alt guidance
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- ...will close tomorrow before the TF
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- JB: people may not understand that it's still open for comment
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- JS: will extend.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 11. "update regarding figcaption" taken up [from janina]
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- agenda?
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- JB: the example evidence for alt was not as I expected; fewer long ones than I expected, including many that were "appropriate"; how interruptible is alt read-out, if starting a longer one?
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- JS: usually reads out automatically
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- DM: it is interruptible by arrowing down through it
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- DM: and ARIA describedby is read twice on the page
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- JB: are there were others that fell into a short-then-long distinction that could easily map to alt-then-longdesc
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- ...so this may best be deferrable till after longdesc is settled.
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 12. "confirm status up to date at http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Accessibility_Change_Proposal_Status agenda+ note any procedural issues needing clarification or
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- ... coordination" taken up [from janina]
- 19:09:15 [Judy]
- JS: CP for ish 203 is also missing, urgent to get
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- JB: ping John?
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- JS: will do
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- zakim, take up next
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- agendum 13. "confirm next meeting (note CSUN next week); identify next scribe; adjourn" taken up [from janina]
- 19:11:07 [Judy]
- Next Meeting:
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- - not next week (CSUN)
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- - following week only if we have other confirmed attendance
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- -Judy
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Janina
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- Team_(text)17:59Z has ended
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- Attendees were Janina, Judy, David_MacDonald, Laura_Carlson
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/21-text-minutes.html janina
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