Research and Development Working Group Teleconference

W3C Note - You should be reading it...

SH: reminder to read the draft Note
... read it and it was a good read

New Meeting Time

SH: new meeting time
... Thursday next week

<scribe> ...new meeting time from Wednesday 22nd onwards

Mobile Topic Timeline

SH: date for symposium

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/planning#seminar

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/cfp.html

<shawn> last ones dates: Announcement on 2011-09-15: The Call for Papers is open until 1 November 2011.

SH: Call for Papers beginning of March
... Monday 5th
... maybe have 5th May as telecon date

SAZ: had 6 weeks notification

<Zakim> shadi, you wanted to suggest deadline for call for papers

SAZ: critical part is when we have the call for papers ready
... not sure can make it by 5 March

GB: agree that call for paper will be difficult
... maybe more difficult this time
... need to see what Yeliz and Peter needs

SH: maybe aim for mid-March
... don't want to leave it open-ended

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask about situation in regards to 4 or 6 weeks

SLH: are people writing about work they already have, in which case it is easy to write a paper

<giorgio> I would say option 1: they reported wotk already done

SLH: versus if people are prompted to do new work, in which case they need more time

MV: seen most people adapting what they have done so far to fit this call for papers
... something already done but adapted

JoC: how would you describe that in the CfP?

<shawn> +1 to JoC

<markel> +1 to Josh

JoC: maybe can a pre-call

SH: good idea to have a pre-call

<Zakim> shadi, you wanted to suggest actions for editors to bring in draft CfPs every week from now on

<Peter> +1 josh - don't think it would hurt

<shawn> Shawn & Josh -- maybe a pre-call to let people know ahead of time that a call on a specific topic will be coming up -- so people get more advanced warning & have time to do more original work possibility

SAZ: suggest adding action items to the editors to being in a draft CfP every week

PT: agree, good to have the pressure
... have a template to start with

<sharper> ACTION: Peter, yeliz to create Mobile Pre-Call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-rd-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Peter,

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/

<sharper> ACTION: Peter yeliz to create Mobile Pre-Call [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-rd-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Yeliz to create Mobile Pre-Call [on Peter Thiessen - due 2012-02-16].

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/cfp.html

<markel> go for it

SH: pre-call in 6 weeks then full call in 4 weeks

<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Text_Customization

<Peter> (reading topic now :)

SLH: been working at this for the previous year+
... also with Wyne Dick who will be presenting a tool at CSUN

SH: had lecture about this by the BBC lately
... also on the User Agent group
... may also relate to television

<sharper> Penny Allen

<sharper> BBC

SLH: not about what the optimum text is
... but rather what optimizations need to be in place
... there is no single optimal formatting for all users
... more about the needs for customization

SH: Penny Allen working on optimal font for different types of screens/devices etc
... also developed some guidelines and tools
... interactive TV using SMIL

GB: not only individual aspects like font size, color, etc
... but also the interaction aspects
... probably combination is key
... also the context is important
... for example moving objects like ads

SH: looks mature?

PT: looks quite extensive

<markel> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/paper5/

GB: people in barecolona working on spelling errors

SAZ: could relate more to the "Easy to Read" topic?

<shawn> [ Shawn would hope for more input after people get a chance to read it :-]

SLH: agree

PT: agree
... looks to me more like tools to customize rather than readability

SH: does this look ready for a seminar?
... will we have many or few submissions?
... not aware of much research in that field
... may be ahead of our time

SLH: maybe do a public call saying we are considering this topic, to see what reactions are?

SH: may be confusing, seem that we are unsure

MV: might be an idea to put several topics under one call

<Peter> (missed most of that - breaking up - could just be me though)

<shawn> saz: maybe say something now, then people coule do new-related work

SAZ: we have more time for this one, so could do a slightly different call where as for new work
... contact specific people who may be encouraged

SH: at W4A usually get 1 paper for an advanced topic, then 6 in the next

<shawn> [ shawn OK with joining the two together... as long as the text customization doesn't get lost ;-]

SH: difficult to get submissions for topics that are head of themselves
... could be better to put together the related one

SLH: torn on this
... agree that they are related and interested that it may be ahead of its time but do not want text customization to get lost

SH: agree trying to avoid it getting lost
... need to message carefully
... but also done its job if we prompt people to think about it
... need to carefully craft this call for paper

<shawn> ACTION: Shawn talk with Andrea about idea of combining topics (Easy to Read & Text Customization) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-rd-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Talk with Andrea about idea of combining topics (Easy to Read & Text Customization) [on Shawn Henry - due 2012-02-16].

SAZ: think editors need to get coordinated

<shawn> ACTION: Shawn talk informally with people about interest and work in Text Customization [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-rd-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Talk informally with people about interest and work in Text Customization [on Shawn Henry - due 2012-02-16].

GB: maybe better to collect additional information first then decide

<sharper> Benchmarking Web Accessibility Evaluation Tools (Evaluation, Benchmarking, Metrics, Samples.)

Any Other Business

<sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Benchmarking_Web_Accessibility_Evaluation_Tools

SH: after reading the draft Note and the wiki entry
... useful to leave the topic there?
... or how do we clean that up?

GB: not sure what the issue is of leaving the wiki topic there
... solution not a webinar lke we did but probably something larger
... wiki page can change over time, not a snapshot of a webinar

SH: see this as a conference
... see this as a conference?

GB: yes

MV: not sure what new questions we have in the research note

<giorgio> I was not really think of that conference. it was a generic a vagiue statement of mine

<giorgio> yes

SH: may want to come back to it at some poin

<giorgio> something like a new category "follow up activities"

http://www.icchp.org/node/370

<shawn> saz: I put up a track related to this as an STS for ICCHP

<shawn> ... opportunities for followon work

HCII

scribe: several other possibilities
... conferences with several tracks

MV: do we need a special track on this?
... good papers make it anyway
... just need to keep track of work

<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say interesting to think of these Symposiums as being a catalyst for future research. (I had thought more about gathering current research -- but like the

SH: might be motivator to tell people that will contribute to a Note

<markel> yes agree SLH

SLH: one of the goals is to be a catalyst for future research

<markel> but we can make the right questions in our seminars

<markel> a community can address identified issues in their reseach

SH: paper on metrics has a good future roadmap
... incubator kind of concept

<Peter> +1 shawn's idea for future research

<sharper> +1 incubator / shawn's idea

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