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<roc> argh, skype crash
<roc> look like I need to reboot Windows :-(
<Alistair> Sure thing.
<scribe> Scribe: Olivier
<roc> uh, I'll be back
Olivier: summary of the f2f meeting. focus on use cases and requirements
Phil Burk (SP?) introduces himself - working with Tom White on Midi, joined today
<Alistair> Start of getUserMedia discussion on mailing list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2012JanMar/0054.html
Olivier: discussion started by Robin who mentioned getUserMedia API
… evolved into a discussion about audio inputs, MIDI inputs, and MIDI APIs in general
… a lot of interest in MIDI APIs, we'd have to change our charter
<roc> how do I get myself in the Zakim queue again?
[discussion on privacy concerns]
<roc> how does the queue work?
ROC: important to get user opt-in before giving access to MIDI (or any) device
… don't want to expose more info than we need to about user system (can be used to track user)
… shouldn't have access to enumeration before getting user agreement
ROC: think getUserMedia is a good place to get this kind of information
Crogers?: applicable to game controllers too?
ROC: Not sure
ChrisWilson: difference between MIDI devices and devices connected by MIDI
… little concern about MIDI IOs, but would be concerned by enumeration of all my devices
Doug: if we want to participate in this discussion around getUserMedia, should join the mailing-list
… reasonably low-traffic
… TF from deviceAPI WG and WebRTC WG, would welcome participants from AudioWG
… upcoming teleconference (Thu Feb 9 at 5PM CET, 4PM GMT)
Alistair: would be good to have a couple of volunteers
Doug: volunteer(s) to be the point person(s)?
Alistair: ventures names of ROC and CWilso
(Jussi's name also mentioned)
CRogers: difficult if you don't know which audio devices to choose
ROC: you get tokens for e.g audio, midi
… and the system selects given its constraints
Alistair: let's take it to the ML
Doug: would be good to decide now, while we're on the topic
… or at least within the day, since the teleconf is in 2 days
… If interested, please join
PBurk: checking my calendar, should be able to join
ROC: Not sure I have enough experience in MIDI?
… but can probably be involved
Alistair: does the getUserMedia raise any issue with our use case for Music Production Tool? Joe?
Joe: would hope that getting permission to expose the devices to the app would suffice
CWilso: looking at proposal Jussi sent today, I think you can do that
… no credibility that inputs/outputs would always be enumerated in the same way
… similar from most APIs, they don't swap for no reason
ROC: does MIDI give a unique id to each device?
PBurk: at the OS level
Doug: may be useful, both for us and others interested in our work
… two things pre-eminent here are games and the use cases from WebRTC
… would like to introduce ideas of priorities
… maybe 1
… to 5
… we could always have a v2
Doug: should take it to the ML
Olivier: not sure if we should prioritize Use Cases or Requirements. What is the granularity we should be using?
Doug: would suggest to prioritize Use Cases, and infer what are the important requirements as a result
Olivier: would like people to look through the doc, especially since it has changed a lot at f2f
Doug: would amend the charter to
include this new work, we'd describe what we want the API to
... then the draft would be taken to the AC
… in the meantime we can start an editor's draft
<roc> gotta run
Doug: a few people have asked on the list, what are the differences
… am not comfortable doing it myself, think it is important
… suggest Chris and ROC are best
Doug: suggests starting a wiki page
… to explain the difference
Crogers: may be controversial
Doug: we can be objective about what makes them different
… rather than talk about "qualities"
Joe: would be valuable to state differences wrt use cases
(general hum of agreement)
Joe: also have trouble grasping the detail of the media stream API
Jussi: more integration with webRTC
Alistair: more of a callback system than a graph system
<quinnirill> sorry, my mic is pretty bad
Doug: might not be best to discuss while ROC is not here
<chris> Web Audio integration with WebRTC: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/raw-file/tip/webaudio/webrtc-integration.html
… make it into the agenda for next week, discuss on wiki/list til then
Joe: am aware of the spec, but not developed enough
… would like to understand better
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to start page on differences between API, encourage people to add content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/06-audio-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-30 - Start page on differences between API, encourage people to add content [on Doug Schepers - due 2012-02-13].
CRogers: in response to Jussi, link on integration of Web Audio API with WebRTC: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/raw-file/tip/webaudio/webrtc-integration.html
Doug: "More integrated" is perhaps a too high level claim
… going into details about the difference in integration would be better
Olivier: would like to agree with idea to look at the differences at the use case level
… how each of them approaches the use cases, with examples
Alistair: should we wait until we have priorities?
Doug: think it will be a 2-way street
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