IRC log of text on 2012-01-17

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Team_(text)18:01Z has now started
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18:02:50 [Judy]
agenda?
18:03:28 [Judy]
agenda+ confirm updated status of text-related bugs discussed on previous call
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agenda+ review updated proposal on meta name generator
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agenda+ review updated proposal on title
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agenda+ check next steps on any pending text-related proposals
18:03:28 [Judy]
agenda+ confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn.
18:04:48 [Zakim]
+Cooper
18:06:04 [MichaelC]
zakim, ??P1 is Janina_Sajka
18:06:04 [Zakim]
+Janina_Sajka; got it
18:06:35 [Judy]
zakim, take up item 13
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agendum 13. "confirm updated status of text-related bugs discussed on previous call" taken up [from Judy]
18:09:11 [Judy]
jb: discussing what happened with fig caption
18:09:42 [Judy]
js: discussed with chairs; wasn't that the whole thing was wrong, just a piece of it; was advised to escalate
18:09:53 [Judy]
js: it is now issue 202
18:10:19 [Judy]
...mike smith thinks that someone in the group who is tracking in-the-wild implementations might be able to help
18:12:03 [MichaelC]
jb: mostly issue for scientific type sites
18:13:01 [Judy]
minutes including bug handling from last meeting: http://www.w3.org/2012/01/10-text-minutes.html
18:13:41 [Judy]
s/scientific/scientific and educational/
18:16:58 [Judy]
jb: need to better organize the bug input from last week prior to checking status
18:18:22 [Judy]
mc: grouped all text-related bugs into one grouping as 8171 but then that was refused because they were already in play, in issue 31.
18:19:16 [Judy]
js: and 31 includes several things, generally under the heading of alt. we disagree with some parts but not all.
18:20:05 [Judy]
zakim, take up next item
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agendum 14. "review updated proposal on meta name generator" taken up [from Judy]
18:21:44 [janina]
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming
18:25:00 [Judy]
jb: the current summary seems unclear in terms of what is the context; what is the problem; and what is the proposal.
18:27:07 [Judy]
jb: starting with the problem...
18:28:34 [Judy]
js: the html doc says that for content originated from cms, the doc will be conformant even if there is no alt; yet for accessibility purposes, alt is needed regardless of the content origin.
18:28:49 [Zakim]
+John_Foliot
18:29:21 [Judy]
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming
18:31:10 [Judy]
js: this change proposal describes why the exemption is inappropriate, and asks for it to be removed.
18:33:18 [Judy]
jf, jb: will also look at this and comment
18:34:47 [Judy]
agenda+ follow-up on 2 bugs from JF
18:34:54 [Judy]
zakim, take up item 18
18:34:54 [Zakim]
agendum 18. "follow-up on 2 bugs from JF" taken up [from Judy]
18:35:21 [Judy]
jf: I filed 2 bug escalations, and got follow-up requests from chairs, but having difficulty establishing access
18:35:40 [Judy]
js, mc: no, you just do it via the bug interface or email to chairs
18:35:46 [Judy]
jf: oh ok will do
18:35:53 [Judy]
js: but solve it hear or in aria?
18:36:16 [Judy]
jf: both places, no? need engagement on the aria solutions here
18:36:25 [Judy]
js: not in aria 1.1?
18:36:45 [Judy]
jf: what about in longdesc? short and long textual description of the video element?
18:38:27 [Judy]
js: i'm ok with doing it both places, jf will follow up in h5 and it's calendared for aria 1.1
18:38:50 [Judy]
zakim, take up next item
18:38:50 [Zakim]
agendum 14. "review updated proposal on meta name generator" taken up [from Judy]
18:39:03 [Judy]
zakim, close item 14
18:39:03 [Zakim]
agendum 14, review updated proposal on meta name generator, closed
18:39:04 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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15. review updated proposal on title [from Judy]
18:39:08 [Judy]
zakim, take up next item
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agendum 15. "review updated proposal on title" taken up [from Judy]
18:39:42 [janina]
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitlev2
18:40:58 [Zakim]
-Cooper
18:45:42 [Zakim]
-John_Foliot
18:49:47 [Judy]
zakim, who's here?
18:49:47 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Judy, Janina_Sajka
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On IRC I see MichaelC, janina, RRSAgent, Judy, Zakim
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+Cooper
18:51:01 [Judy]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 15 closed
18:51:02 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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16. check next steps on any pending text-related proposals [from Judy]
18:51:10 [Judy]
zakim, take up next item
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agendum 16. "check next steps on any pending text-related proposals" taken up [from Judy]
18:52:04 [Judy]
jb: questions you were working on wrt dev of CP on WG loc of alt guidance
18:53:06 [Judy]
mc: was wondering what focus on in terms of background for the CP, specifically wrt harms of the current situation, vs potentially harms of the proposal
18:53:34 [Judy]
mc: for instance, what confusions people are having with where the guidance currently is
18:54:15 [Judy]
... and because hasn't happened yet, no actual data yet
18:54:32 [Judy]
js: it is likely that people would be confused
18:54:42 [Judy]
jb: but that is potential harm not actual harm
18:55:18 [Judy]
js: No. There is _already_ harm, in that people are _already_ confused about where to look, and which version they should refer to.
18:56:48 [Judy]
js: and this doc seeks to remedy the harm already done by incorrect guidance in the h5 spec.
18:59:06 [Zakim]
+David_MacDonald
19:00:13 [Judy]
jb: actually there are three things: appropriateness of the technical guidance; generalization of the guidance beyond h5; and location with seat of accessibility expertise.
19:01:40 [Judy]
...and the case would need to be made effectively on those.
19:02:53 [Zakim]
-Janina_Sajka
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-Cooper
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-Judy
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-David_MacDonald
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Team_(text)18:01Z has ended
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Attendees were Judy, Cooper, Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, David_MacDonald