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WAI AU

09 Jan 2012

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
Jan Richards
Scribe
Jan, andrewronksley

Contents


<Jan> Scribe:Jan

1. Part A Conformance Applicability Note: Platform limitations

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JanMar/0001.html

2. A.2.2.2 Access to Rendered Text Properties:

<scribe> Scribe: andrewronksley

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#sc_a222

JR: The idea is that the text editor serves two purposes. It serves as a text editor but also it's a part of a workflow.

<Jan> JR: ANy objections to the SC wording?

<Jan> Resolution: All agree with "A.2.2.2 Access to Rendered Text Properties:@@If an editing-view renders any text formatting properties that authors can also edit using the editing-view, then the properties can be programmatically determined."

JR: The level is currently A. Wondering if this should be AA?
... It's not preventing authors from editing something. It's making something more effective.

<Jan> Resolution: Change A.2.2.2 Access to Rendered Text Properties to AA

3. A.3.1.1 Keyboard Access (Minimum)

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#sc_a311

JR: Some questions raised about devices that don't have a keyboard. We're not trying to imply that the device has to have a physical keyboard. We've added a note to clarify this.

JS: I would use the phrase "hardware" keyboard rather than "conventional" keyboard.

Not all software keyboards have tab and arrow keys

There's often alternative (third party) keyboards available that do have these keys though.

<Jan> Note 1: Keyboard interfaces are programmatic services provided by many platforms that allow operation in a device independent manner. This success criterion does not imply the presence of a hardware keyboard.

<Jan> Resolution: All accept: Note 1: Keyboard interfaces are programmatic services provided by many platforms that allow operation in a device independent manner. This success criterion does not imply the presence of a hardware keyboard."

<Jan> Note 3: This success criterion does not forbid and should not discourage @@other input methods (e.g., mouse, touch) in addition to keyboard operation.

<Jan> Resolution: All accept: "Note 3: This success criterion does not forbid and should not discourage other input methods (e.g., mouse, touch) in addition to keyboard operation."

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#sc_a311-i

<Jan> Note 1 clarifies that the success criterion does not require a hardware keyboard to be present. Many mobile platforms lack hardware keyboards, but nonetheless provide "keyboard interfaces".

<Jan> Resolution: All accept "Note 1 clarifies that the success criterion does not require a hardware keyboard to be present. Many mobile platforms lack hardware keyboards, but nonetheless provide "keyboard interfaces"."

4. A.3.1.5 Customize Keyboard Access

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#sc_a315-i

<Jan> Resolution: All accept "@@on platforms that support keyboard commands"

5. A.3.1.6 Present Keyboard Commands

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#sc_a316-i

<Jan> Resolution: All accept "@@on platforms that support keyboard commands " for A.3.1.6

6. A.4.2.1 Document Accessibility Features

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#sc_a421

What if the feature requires no action on the user's part?

Things like programatically determined. Users don't get involved with that stuff.

<Jan> A.4.2.1 Document Accessibility Features: All features of the authoring tool that are used direclty by the author and that are used to meet Part A of ATAG 2.0 (e.g., keyboard shortcuts, text search) are documented.

<Jan> Jeanne: A.4.2.1 Document Accessibility Features: All features of the authoring tool that require author interaction and that are used to meet Part A of ATAG 2.0 (e.g., keyboard shortcuts, text search) are documented.

JR: There's things that are so trivial that they probably don't need documenting
... e.g. a search box

GS: Section 508 does have a requirement for documentation of accessibility features
... How do you count features though

Alex: once you start counting you realise it's practically impossible

GS: Section 508 doesn't comment on the quality of the documentation, just that it's available.

JR: I think what we're getting at is some accessibility features will be hard to use without documentation, e.g. keyboard shortcuts.

GS: The other issue that comes into play is platform or OS conventions.
... There's an assumption that people will know a certain amount.
... e.g. on Windows CTRL+O for open etc.

Alex: Normally the platform should provide documentation relating to things such as this.

GS: Getting back to the notion of trivial, we assume users know the conventions for their platform. That being said, users still ask us to document these kinds of things.

JR: Maybe what trivial means in this case is things that are common to a platform.

<Jan> ACTION: JR to To propose something for A.4.2.1 that includes user interactive features and a note on platform conventions being documented elesewhere [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/09-au-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-370 - Propose something for A.4.2.1 that includes user interactive features and a note on platform conventions being documented elesewhere [on Jan Richards - due 2012-01-16].

7. B.3.1.1 Checking Assistance (WCAG)

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#sc_b311

<Jan> Resoltuion: All accept "@@in such a way" in B.3.1.1

<Jan> Resolution: All accept "@@in such a way" in B.3.1.1

8. (Tentative) Conformance Requirements

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#conf-req

<Jan> Everyone will take an action to look at the (tentative) confromance requirements http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#conf-req

<Jan> 9. (Tentative) Table of Accessibility Information types in the Implementing doc

9. (Tentative) Table of Accessibility Information types in the Implementing doc

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#prompting-types

<Jan> Resolution: To remove the tentative marking on the Table of Accessibility Information types (i.e. to keep the table)

10. Note on Term " accessibility information (WCAG)"

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#def-Accessibility-Information

<Jan> remove ")" at end of accessibility info

<Jan> Resolution: Alll accept "Note: For the purposes of ATAG 2.0, only programmatically determinable information qualifies. For additional examples, see Appendix A of the Implementing ATAG 2.0 document."

12. Term "keyboard interface"

<Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20111222/#def-Keyboard-Interface

<Jan> A programmatic interface used by software to obtain keystroke input. A keyboard interface can allow keystroke input even if particular devices do not contain a hardware keyboard (e.g., a touchscreen-controlled device can have a keyboard interface built into its operating system to support onscreen keyboards as well as external keyboards that may be connected).

<Jan> Note: Keyboard-operated mouse emulators, such as MouseKeys, do not qualify as operation through a keyboard interface because these emulators use pointing device interfaces, not keyboard interfaces.

<Jan> Keyboard interfaces are programmatic services provided by many platforms that allow operation in a device independent manner. This success criterion does not imply the presence of a conventional keyboard.

<Jan> Keyboard interfaces are programmatic services provided by many platforms that allow operation in a device independent manner. A keyboard interface can allow keystroke input even if particular devices do not contain a hardware keyboard (e.g., a touchscreen-controlled device can have a keyboard interface built into its operating system to support onscreen keyboards as well as external...

<Jan> ...keyboards that may be connected).Note: Keyboard-operated mouse emulators, such as MouseKeys, do not qualify as operation through a keyboard interface because these emulators use pointing device interfaces, not keyboard interfaces.

<Jan> Resolution: All accept "Keyboard interfaces are programmatic services provided by many platforms that allow operation in a device independent manner. A keyboard interface can allow keystroke input even if particular devices do not contain a hardware keyboard (e.g., a touchscreen-controlled device can have a keyboard interface built into its operating system to support onscreen keyboards as...

<Jan> ...well as external keyboards that may be connected).Note: Keyboard-operated mouse emulators, such as MouseKeys, do not qualify as operation through a keyboard interface because these emulators use pointing device interfaces, not keyboard interfaces.

<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ATAG20tests/

<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2011/ED-ATAG20-20111222/MASTER-20111221

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: JR to To propose something for A.4.2.1 that includes user interactive features and a note on platform conventions being documented elesewhere [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/09-au-minutes.html#action01]
 
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