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<trackbot> Date: 05 January 2012
<Mike_Pendleton> correction - Chair: George Thomas
<Mike_Pendleton> Chair: George Thomas
<HadleyBeeman> Hi all. Happy new year!
<olyerickson> @All: Happy New Year
<fadmaa> Hi. happy new year!
<Mike_Pendleton> chair: gthomas
<BartvanLeeuwen> hi all
<bhyland> hi all. George will be chairing today. I'm on IRC only.
<rreck> that is the one i forget to do
<rreck> you want to be sure
<rreck> hi anne
<George> Meeting <GLD>
<annew> yo Mr stability!
<rreck> anything but
<George> Agenda: <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105>
<rreck> zakim needs to support more than one way to do things
<annew> correct meeting agenda URL is http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105
<Mike_Pendleton> George Thomas to chair today
<BenediktKaempgen> hearing it also
<rreck> yes i hear it too
<fadmaa> I hear a noise as well
<BartvanLeeuwen> sandro, +1 for sound
<rreck> it is noise cancelation
<olyerickson> I don't think it's me
<rreck> i am familiar but the solution is non-trivial
<rreck> i am double muted also
<Mike_Pendleton> Proposal to accept minutes?
<olyerickson> No updates from me...
<rreck> I have improved the stability section but it is not complete
<rreck> new AND improved
<annew> there's nothing to improve upon
<George> Mike_Pendleton: procurement - overview of LD, evolution of data mgmt practices, community dir
<George> ... segments - Activities (5 areas); Services; Products - describe characteristics of S&P per activity
<raphael> I'm not sure when this is time to discuss this, but the Linked Enterprise Data patterns workshop report has been released, http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/Report and that there is an explicit mention of potential overalp with this group and its deliverables
<HadleyBeeman> MikePendleton, This sounds thorough and useful! I'll be keen to see it.
<George> Sandro: save as htm from doc, then use tidy, tool chain to facilitate getting good results for wiki review by GLD members
<George> ... may be easier to recreate by hand
<DruidSmith_> My internet connection appears to be hosed as well
<olyerickson> Workshop Homepage here: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/
<olyerickson> Report page here: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/Report
<Mike> Comments from Raphael on LD Enterprise Workshop - recommended LD Platform Workgroup; concern about overlap with GLD; recommend liason to deal to with that
<raphael> The report says: "In doing so it will be important to analyze any possible overlaps with the new Government Linked Data Working Group and suggest mitigating measures if appropriate."
<Mike> Sandro: Areas of overlap unclear; focus not on publishing for others to consume; but on applications exposing their data
<George> a 'basic profile' for linked data
<Mike> Sandro: suggest joint tast force to address major overlaps
<Mike> George: We will work to determine how best to work with the procurement piece from a technology perspective
<Mike> Having tech issues hearing
<fadmaa> the current version of dcat is at: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference
<olyerickson> Not yet
<olyerickson> One of my actions is to do some eiki work on that
<George> Fadi: Person, Org work ongoing wrt semic.eu
<rreck> anne you can go
<George> annew: collaborating with rreck with some brainstorming
<George> rreck: revamped input into secondary page from above
<Mike> Ron and Ann on Stability BPs - brainstorming and will take next steps next week; framing for indicators of stability for a project
<George> annew: write up key indicators of stability - interested in GLD member comments from their experiences
<George> ... in the F2F2
<rreck> when is the f2f again?
<rreck> link please
<annew> Yes looking for comments during F2F on whether these ideas of stability will work with other best practices
<Mike> Sandro: lets focus on being productive for F2F
<Mike> Request for general questions
<rreck> it is two days?
<Mike> Discuss co-location issue
<rreck> commuting in DC is brutal at least for me
<Mike> Dan has confirmed 7 a.m. EST start time
<sandro> rreck, then by all means do what the charter/consensus/group decision says and commute to Ireland! :-)
<rreck> great point
<Mike> How might break-out groups work give co-location?
<annew> The door to BLS is exactly across the street from the Union Station metro stop... for those who have brutal
<Mike> Sandro on breakouts - US people could end at 3 formally, but stay around longer
<Mike> George: Suggest a dry run on the call before the meeting to see if it works logistically
<BenediktKaempgen> +1 to peple listed
<annew> i thought leading a discussion more than a presentation
<olyerickson> Suggestion: put the names *in* the agenda section
<Mike> George: Request each person describe what they will be presenting/discussing (time reqd, issues/questions raised) on the wiki page
<Mike> Sandro: Want to get the presentation/discussion to lead us to consensus
<annew> consensus design = what are the questions? and know enough to make a decision.. ?
<Mike> George: Questions about topics you will be leading/presenting?
<olyerickson> No questions (at this time...)
<Mike> George: Two more calls before the F2F: next week review updates; next week we could do a dry run
<Mike> George: Other input for F2F planning today?
<Mike> George: Let's open this up
<annew> oh bother with the audio...still on chat...
<fadmaa> @bhyland yes I am from DERI
<sandro> annew, can you rejoin?
<rreck> i am
<rreck> one sec
<Mike> Sandro: Want to here more about Ron and Anne's work
<George> rreck: cost benefit considerations
<Mike> Ron: Overaching concept is that data has value, value reduced by costs in consuming it - looking at attributes that affect cost in using the data; trying to break down costs and show what helps reduce costs. Push modification of legacy data upstrean so that it did not have ot recure. ex: Turtle uses least disk space, easy for people to read vs. machine readabilty of other serializations:
<Mike> George: Did anyone get a chance to look a provenance?
<olyerickson> RE Provenance new releases: Link?
<HadleyBeeman> I had a quick review of them and found them interesting for us in LinkedGov… but not with the GLD in mind. (Sorry)
<olyerickson> Links to recent PROV-WG drafts http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.22 (from their recent minutes)
<Mike> George and Sandro to look into AV tech for the F2F
<raphael> The PROV Model Primer is the most interesting document for a first approach
<raphael> ... see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/primer/fpwd/Primer.html
<Mike> George: Other considerations?
<annew> anne's gotta go. good summary ron on stability!
<George> HadleyBeeman: agenda section to address liason/overlap activity checklist suggested
<Mike> Hadley: Might help to consider at each meeting to go over overlap from other groups (ex: provenance, e-gov)
<olyerickson> Thanks as always, George!
<olyerickson> Here's to productivity...
<raphael> thanks, bye
<George> Scribe: <Mike>
<George> Scribe: Mike
<rreck> i dont think you need them
<scribe> scribe: Mike
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