RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 27 February 2013

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Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Arnaud Le Hors, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gavin Carothers, Gregg Kellogg, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Markus Lanthaler, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Raimond
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  1. closing Issue 109 as described by Pat back in November in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0195.html The proposal is, roughly, to make ill-typed literals not denote anything, which (due to the very picky details of the wording of the rest of the semantics) means that any triple with an ill-typed literal is false (and not ill-typed itself, which you might have thought). link
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15:58:56 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-irc

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15:58:57 <Guus> trackbot, start meeting

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15:58:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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15:59:00 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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15:59:01 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:59:01 <trackbot> Date: 27 February 2013
15:59:03 <pfps> zakim, who is here?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is here?

15:59:03 <Zakim> I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted

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15:59:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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15:59:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.530.aaaa, Guus

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15:59:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc_, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc_, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP

15:59:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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15:59:06 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:59:06 <trackbot> Date: 27 February 2013
15:59:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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15:59:10 <AndyS> Partial regrets - I can only attend for about 45 mins.

Andy Seaborne: Partial regrets - I can only attend for about 45 mins.

15:59:23 <pfps> zakim, aaaa is me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, aaaa is me

15:59:23 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pfps, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

15:59:36 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:59:36 <Zakim> I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted

Zakim IRC Bot: I notice SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has restarted

15:59:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.530.aaaa, Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.408.530.aaaa, Guus

15:59:52 <pfps> zakim, aaaa is me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, aaaa is me

15:59:52 <Zakim> +pfps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it

16:00:01 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

16:00:05 <gkellogg> zakim, I am ??P2

Gregg Kellogg: zakim, I am ??P2

16:00:05 <Zakim> +gkellogg; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +gkellogg; got it

16:00:09 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

16:00:19 <SteveH> Zakim, ??p3 is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??p3 is me

16:00:19 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it

16:00:36 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

16:00:49 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

16:00:50 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

16:00:52 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

16:00:52 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

16:00:59 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.27

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- current agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.02.27

16:01:00 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

16:01:05 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P6 is me

Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P6 is me

16:01:05 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it

16:02:16 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

16:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Guus, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed (muted), yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Guus, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed (muted), yvesr

16:02:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see AZ, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc_, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AZ, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc_, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP

16:02:21 <Zakim> +GavinC

Zakim IRC Bot: +GavinC

16:02:43 <Zakim> + +081165aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +081165aabb

16:03:02 <AZ> Zakim, aabb is me

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, aabb is me

16:03:02 <Zakim> +AZ; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it

16:03:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:03:31 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me

16:03:31 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

16:04:20 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

16:04:20 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

16:04:21 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

16:04:27 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

16:04:33 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

16:04:33 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

16:05:03 <Guus> zakim, pick a scribe

Guus Schreiber: zakim, pick a scribe

16:05:03 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose AZ

16:05:45 <AZ> scribe: AZ

(Scribe set to Antoine Zimmermann)

16:06:26 <AZ> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

16:06:27 <AZ> Topic: Turtle

2. Turtle

16:07:13 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

16:07:18 <markus> zakim, ??P8 is me

Markus Lanthaler: zakim, ??P8 is me

16:07:18 <Zakim> +markus; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +markus; got it

16:07:20 <AZ> gavinc_: there should be a page about the CR

Gavin Carothers: there should be a page about the CR

16:07:42 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

16:07:55 <AZ> gavinc_: before Turtle being published we agreed to produce a document about thinigs done in Last Call?

Gavin Carothers: before Turtle being published we agreed to produce a document about thinigs done in Last Call?

16:09:20 <AZ> Guus: we can close the comments by internalization group

Guus Schreiber: we can close the comments by internalization group

16:09:35 <AZ> Guus: Ivan proposed to write a page like the OWL page

Guus Schreiber: Ivan proposed to write a page like the OWL page

16:09:55 <PatH> having a little trouble calling in, working on it.

Patrick Hayes: having a little trouble calling in, working on it.

16:10:07 <AZ> sandro: in RDF, documents are pretty much self standing

Sandro Hawke: in RDF, documents are pretty much self standing

16:10:33 <gkellogg> Turtle, TriG, and N-Triples would seem to be more closely related.

Gregg Kellogg: Turtle, TriG, and N-Triples would seem to be more closely related.

16:10:34 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

16:10:41 <AZ> Guus: let us archive all comments being done since CR

Guus Schreiber: let us archive all comments being done since CR

16:10:45 <gavinc_> Yeah, my thoughts as well gkellogg

Gavin Carothers: Yeah, my thoughts as well gkellogg

16:10:55 <gavinc_> given I have to update all three of those

Gavin Carothers: given I have to update all three of those

16:11:01 <ivan> ivan, unmute me

Ivan Herman: ivan, unmute me

16:11:07 <Souri> zakim, P14 is me

Souripriya Das: zakim, P14 is me

16:11:07 <Zakim> sorry, Souri, I do not recognize a party named 'P14'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Souri, I do not recognize a party named 'P14'

16:11:14 <Souri> zakim, ??P14 is me

Souripriya Das: zakim, ??P14 is me

16:11:15 <Zakim> +Souri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri; got it

16:11:31 <AZ> gavinc_: I'll finish a page about the comments

Gavin Carothers: I'll finish a page about the comments

16:11:59 <gkellogg> q+ on test suite coverage

Gregg Kellogg: q+ on test suite coverage

16:12:04 <AZ> gavinc_: we have to publish the test cases

Gavin Carothers: we have to publish the test cases

16:12:11 <AndyS> +1 to gkellogg -- and NQuads.

Andy Seaborne: +1 to gkellogg -- and NQuads.

16:12:17 <AZ> sandro: they should be linked from the document

Sandro Hawke: they should be linked from the document

16:12:31 <gkellogg> Conformance Report: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html

Gregg Kellogg: Conformance Report: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html

16:12:34 <PatH> looks like I am going to have to be restricted to IRC until my phone carrier comes back :-(

Patrick Hayes: looks like I am going to have to be restricted to IRC until my phone carrier comes back :-(

16:12:35 <AZ> ...: and we have to list the implementations

...: and we have to list the implementations

16:13:31 <pfps> shouldn't we note this error and fix it at REC?

Peter Patel-Schneider: shouldn't we note this error and fix it at REC?

16:14:05 <AZ> AndyS: their could be a formal publication of the test suite

Andy Seaborne: their could be a formal publication of the test suite

16:14:25 <AZ> ... W3C would use the test suite licence

... W3C would use the test suite licence

16:15:01 <AZ> (sorry did not get the end)

(sorry did not get the end)

16:15:17 <sandro> google brings me to http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Test_Suite

Sandro Hawke: google brings me to http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Test_Suite

16:15:47 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-license.html

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2008/04-testsuite-license.html

16:16:10 <AZ> AndyS: they are not complaininng of tests suite licence, but they complain about the Apacche Licence attached to it

Andy Seaborne: they are not complaininng of tests suite licence, but they complain about the Apacche Licence attached to it

16:17:24 <AZ> ... I could change this as a copywriter

... I could change this as a copywriter

16:17:34 <gavinc_> I'd say the main issue is the lack of publication of the test suite

Gavin Carothers: I'd say the main issue is the lack of publication of the test suite

16:18:34 <AZ> sandro: the page about test suite should have link to the suite

Sandro Hawke: the page about test suite should have link to the suite

16:20:12 <AZ> sandro: I can update the submission to point to the the suite

Sandro Hawke: I can update the submission to point to the the suite

16:20:38 <Guus> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/file/default/rdf-turtle/tests-ttl

Guus Schreiber: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/file/default/rdf-turtle/tests-ttl

16:20:56 <AZ> Guus: in the extension request the link to test suite was the one posted

Guus Schreiber: in the extension request the link to test suite was the one posted

16:21:12 <gkellogg> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html

Gregg Kellogg: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/reports/index.html

16:21:49 <AZ> Guus: who would like to take an action to do this

Guus Schreiber: who would like to take an action to do this

16:22:02 <AZ> gavinc: I can do this

Gavin Carothers: I can do this

16:22:44 <AZ> gavinc: I can also resolve the licence issue

Gavin Carothers: I can also resolve the licence issue

16:23:39 <AZ> gavinc: we can set up a mercurial directory and put a tag there

Gavin Carothers: we can set up a mercurial directory and put a tag there

16:24:23 <AZ> AndyS: sandro, could you check the W3C process for the test suite

Andy Seaborne: sandro, could you check the W3C process for the test suite

16:25:05 <gkellogg> List of dajobe's current Turtle tests, including test-31 through test-38: https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/tree/master/tests/turtle

Gregg Kellogg: List of dajobe's current Turtle tests, including test-31 through test-38: https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/tree/master/tests/turtle

16:25:05 <sandro> action: sandro to learn about the w3c test suite license

ACTION: sandro to learn about the w3c test suite license

16:25:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-232 - Learn about the w3c test suite license [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-03-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-232 - Learn about the w3c test suite license [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-03-06].

16:25:15 <Guus> ACTION Gavin to publish the consolidated test suite

Guus Schreiber: ACTION Gavin to publish the consolidated test suite

16:25:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-233 - Publish the consolidated test suite [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-03-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-233 - Publish the consolidated test suite [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-03-06].

16:25:38 <AZ> gavinc: all tests are under W3C license and ??? licence

Gavin Carothers: all tests are under W3C license and 3-clause BSD licence

16:25:43 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases

Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases

16:25:51 <sandro> s/???/3-clause BSD/
16:25:59 <AndyS> ??? == W3C test suite license

Andy Seaborne: ??? == W3C test suite license

16:26:46 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH

16:27:15 <gavinc> https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/blob/master/tests/turtle/test-30.ttl

Gavin Carothers: https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/blob/master/tests/turtle/test-30.ttl

16:28:16 <AZ> topic:Semantics

3. Semantics

16:28:17 <gavinc> btw #turtle exists ;)

Gavin Carothers: btw #turtle exists ;)

16:28:46 <AndyS> gregg - there was renumbering old 30 is new 27 and is there

Andy Seaborne: gregg - there was renumbering old 30 is new 27 and is there

16:28:47 <AZ> Guus: there are several emails on the first editor's draft for semantics

Guus Schreiber: there are several emails on the first editor's draft for semantics

16:28:54 <AZ> ... from pfps and Path

... from pfps and Path

16:28:58 <gkellogg> andys: cool, thanks

Andy Seaborne: cool, thanks [ Scribe Assist by Gregg Kellogg ]

16:29:27 <AndyS> greeg - blame automated test suite writing.

Andy Seaborne: gregg - blame automated test suite writing.

16:29:35 <AZ> PatH: I think all the issues can be resolved wihtout spending much telecon time

Patrick Hayes: I think all the issues can be resolved wihtout spending much telecon time

16:29:39 <AndyS> s/greeg/gregg/
16:29:54 <AZ> pfps: we have to resovle the issues on ill-typed literals do not denote anymore

Peter Patel-Schneider: we have to resovle the issues on ill-typed literals do not denote anymore

16:30:24 <pfps> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Feb/0233.html

Peter Patel-Schneider: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Feb/0233.html

16:32:03 <AZ> PatH: it's a substantial change to semantics and made in reaction to Richard's request

Patrick Hayes: it's a substantial change to semantics and made in reaction to Richard's request

16:32:21 <ericP> oops, looks like i missed the test suite topic

Eric Prud'hommeaux: oops, looks like i missed the test suite topic

16:32:28 <ericP> can anyone confirm/deny that?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: can anyone confirm/deny that?

16:32:38 <AZ> ... who believe that a graph that has ill-typed literals should not be consistent

... who believe that a graph that has ill-typed literals should not be consistent

16:33:01 <AZ> ... the proposal makes all triples with an ill-typed literal false

... the proposal makes all triples with an ill-typed literal false

16:33:35 <pfps> this change has been discussed extensively in the past, as well

Peter Patel-Schneider: this change has been discussed extensively in the past, as well

16:33:43 <AZ> ... I haven't find arguments really against it

... I haven't find arguments really against it

16:34:10 <Guus> PROPOSE closing Issue 109 as described by Pat back in November in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0195.html  The proposal is, roughly, to make ill-typed literals not denote anything, which (due to the very picky details of the wording of the rest of the semantics) means that any triple with an ill-typed literal is false (and not ill-typed itself, which you might have thought).

Guus Schreiber: PROPOSE closing ISSUE-109 as described by Pat back in November in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0195.html The proposal is, roughly, to make ill-typed literals not denote anything, which (due to the very picky details of the wording of the rest of the semantics) means that any triple with an ill-typed literal is false (and not ill-typed itself, which you might have thought).

16:34:21 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

16:34:23 <AZ> +1

+1

16:34:24 <PatH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

16:34:26 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:34:28 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

16:34:28 <Souri> +1

Souripriya Das: +1

16:34:29 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:34:29 <pfps> +0.999999

Peter Patel-Schneider: +0.999999

16:34:30 <Guus> +1

Guus Schreiber: +1

16:34:32 <gkellogg> +1

Gregg Kellogg: +1

16:34:33 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

16:34:33 <markus> +1

Markus Lanthaler: +1

16:34:43 <Arnaud> 0

Arnaud Le Hors: 0

16:34:47 <Guus> RESOLVED: closing Issue 109 as described by Pat back in November in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0195.html  The proposal is, roughly, to make ill-typed literals not denote anything, which (due to the very picky details of the wording of the rest of the semantics) means that any triple with an ill-typed literal is false (and not ill-typed itself, which you might have thought).

RESOLVED: closing ISSUE-109 as described by Pat back in November in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0195.html The proposal is, roughly, to make ill-typed literals not denote anything, which (due to the very picky details of the wording of the rest of the semantics) means that any triple with an ill-typed literal is false (and not ill-typed itself, which you might have thought).

16:35:35 <AZ> pfps: which datatypes are required in RDF implementation

Peter Patel-Schneider: which datatypes are required in RDF implementation

16:35:52 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

16:35:59 <gkellogg> q-

Gregg Kellogg: q-

16:36:00 <gavinc> +1 to RDF XMLLiteral being optional... I swear we resolved that?

Gavin Carothers: +1 to RDF XMLLiteral being optional... I swear we resolved that?

16:36:12 <sandro> +1 I think so, too.

Sandro Hawke: +1 I think so, too.

16:36:17 <gavinc> ... are you SURE we don't?

Gavin Carothers: ... are you SURE we don't?

16:36:37 <AZ> ... in particular XMLLiteral?

... in particular XMLLiteral?

16:37:22 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0198.html

Gavin Carothers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012May/0198.html

16:37:36 <sandro> issue-13?

Sandro Hawke: ISSUE-13?

16:37:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-13 -- Review RDF XML Literals -- closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-13 -- Review RDF XML Literals -- closed

16:37:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/13

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/13

16:37:50 <AZ> ... can someone fix the "list of resolutions"

... can someone fix the "list of resolutions"

16:37:53 <AndyS> q-

Andy Seaborne: q-

16:38:07 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/closed is a good place to start looking for resolutions :)

Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/closed is a good place to start looking for resolutions :)

16:38:33 <AZ> gavinc: HTML is optional too (ISSUE 33)

Gavin Carothers: HTML is optional too (ISSUE-33)

16:38:49 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/63

Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/33

16:39:02 <AZ> s/63/33/
16:39:11 <AZ> s/33/63/
16:39:42 <AZ> ... the last issue is rdf:langString

pfps the last issue is rdf:langString

16:39:59 <AZ> s/.../pfps/
16:40:44 <AZ> PatH: I think the idea was a datatype with empty lexical-to-value mapping

Patrick Hayes: I think the idea was a datatype with empty lexical-to-value mapping

16:41:26 <gavinc> Also, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0071.html

Gavin Carothers: Also, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Nov/0071.html

16:41:28 <AZ> ... the goal is to have a type for all literals but not force rdf:langString to be a proper datatype

... the goal is to have a type for all literals but not force rdf:langString to be a proper datatype

16:41:39 <AZ> pfps: this should be fixed in Concepts

Peter Patel-Schneider: this should be fixed in Concepts

16:41:58 <gavinc> This is related to ISSUE-94

Gavin Carothers: This is related to ISSUE-94

16:42:00 <gavinc> ISSUE-94?

Gavin Carothers: ISSUE-94?

16:42:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-94 -- Definition of literals does not include language-tagged strings properly -- closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-94 -- Definition of literals does not include language-tagged strings properly -- closed

16:42:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/94

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/94

16:42:25 <AZ> pfps: everything else in the semantics can be seen just as bugs

Peter Patel-Schneider: everything else in the semantics can be seen just as bugs

16:42:41 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:42:45 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

16:42:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps, Guus, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed (muted), yvesr, GavinC, AZ, AndyS, Ivan (muted), Arnaud (muted), markus, Sandro, Souri, PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps, Guus, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed (muted), yvesr, GavinC, AZ, AndyS, Ivan (muted), Arnaud (muted), markus, Sandro, Souri, PatH

16:42:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, PatH, markus, Arnaud, AZ, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Souri, PatH, markus, Arnaud, AZ, RRSAgent, Zakim, AndyS, pfps, gkellogg, Guus, TallTed, SteveH, ivan, gavinc, manu1, manu, yvesr, mischat, trackbot, sandro, ericP

16:43:10 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

16:43:47 <AZ> pfps: it just requires minor edits to make it a FPWD

Peter Patel-Schneider: it just requires minor edits to make it a FPWD

16:44:13 <AZ> Guus: <can't hear>

Guus Schreiber: <can't hear>

16:44:29 <Zakim> -Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus

16:44:46 <Guus> reviews can be done befpre html edits

Guus Schreiber: reviews can be done befpre html edits

16:44:59 <Guus> review volunteers? at least two needed

Guus Schreiber: review volunteers? at least two needed

16:45:26 <pfps> can't be me

Peter Patel-Schneider: can't be me

16:45:31 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

16:45:31 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

16:45:45 <pfps> I suggest Richard, even though he is not on the call - he cares about this

Peter Patel-Schneider: I suggest Richard, even though he is not on the call - he cares about this

16:46:00 <Zakim> +Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus

16:46:58 <AZ> Guus: we need reviewers for the document, even before the edits

Guus Schreiber: we need reviewers for the document, even before the edits

16:47:03 <AZ> AZ: I can review it

Antoine Zimmermann: I can review it

16:47:18 <AZ> pfps: I would like Richard to do it

Peter Patel-Schneider: I would like Richard to do it

16:47:32 <Guus> ACTION Guus to ask Richard to review Semantics

Guus Schreiber: ACTION Guus to ask Richard to review Semantics

16:47:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-234 - Ask Richard to review Semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-234 - Ask Richard to review Semantics [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06].

16:47:44 <AZ> PatH: there is a section that is missing about the inference rules

Patrick Hayes: there is a section that is missing about the inference rules

16:47:57 <pfps> the inference rules are informative, not normative

Peter Patel-Schneider: the inference rules are informative, not normative

16:48:09 <AZ> ivan: what's going on with the rules?

Ivan Herman: what's going on with the rules?

16:48:21 <AZ> ... in which document do they go

... in which document do they go

16:48:53 <AZ> PatH: we can put the rules in an informative section in Semantics

Patrick Hayes: we can put the rules in an informative section in Semantics

16:49:01 <pfps> I vote for fewer documents

Peter Patel-Schneider: I vote for fewer documents

16:49:15 <pfps> why are the rules needed for concepts?

Peter Patel-Schneider: why are the rules needed for concepts?

16:49:31 <AZ> ACTION AZ to review RDF 1.1 Semantics

ACTION AZ to review RDF 1.1 Semantics

16:49:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-235 - Review RDF 1.1 Semantics [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-03-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-235 - Review RDF 1.1 Semantics [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-03-06].

16:49:49 <AZ> Guus: we really need to go to LC for Concepts

Guus Schreiber: we really need to go to LC for Concepts

16:49:58 <AZ> ... for this we need a FPWD for Semantics

... for this we need a FPWD for Semantics

16:50:30 <AZ> ivan: our extension request said we would have Concepts in LC by 1st march

Ivan Herman: our extension request said we would have Concepts in LC by 1st march

16:50:56 <AZ> PatH: I can do the changes before next telecon

Patrick Hayes: I can do the changes before next telecon

16:51:49 <AZ> Guus: in the mean time we can talk about Concepts to prepare it for LC

Guus Schreiber: in the mean time we can talk about Concepts to prepare it for LC

16:52:43 <Guus> Reviewing period Semantics draft: 6-13 Mar

Guus Schreiber: Reviewing period Semantics draft: 6-13 Mar

16:53:33 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

16:53:35 <AZ> PatH: there is a debate about D-entailemnt whether D should be seen as a datatype map

Patrick Hayes: there is a debate about D-entailemnt whether D should be seen as a datatype map

16:53:55 <AZ> ... I see a solution that requires a small change to RDF Concepts

... I see a solution that requires a small change to RDF Concepts

16:54:00 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

16:54:08 <AZ> Guus: let us get this to the agenda of next week

Guus Schreiber: let us get this to the agenda of next week

16:54:32 <Guus> ack pfps

Guus Schreiber: ack pfps

16:54:55 <AZ> pfps: I believe Pat's solution is not viable

Peter Patel-Schneider: I believe Pat's solution is not viable

16:55:22 <AZ> PatH: I know how to fix this, I have to make it more precise

Patrick Hayes: I know how to fix this, I have to make it more precise

16:55:34 <AZ> +1 pfps

+1 pfps

16:55:44 <pfps> my problem is with a normative part of RDF Semantics referring to "web conventions"

Peter Patel-Schneider: my problem is with a normative part of RDF Semantics referring to "web conventions"

16:56:10 <AZ> topic:Concepts

4. Concepts

16:56:21 <AZ> Guus: there is an issue on bnode definition

Guus Schreiber: there is an issue on bnode definition

16:56:50 <AZ> PatH: Concepts sould define the notion of scope

Patrick Hayes: Concepts sould define the notion of scope

16:57:01 <AZ> ... scope of bnodes

... scope of bnodes

16:59:43 <AZ> <people looking in the ML archives>

<people looking in the ML archives>

16:59:59 <Guus> ACTION Guus put spec of scope bnodes in Concepts on agenda for 6 Mar

Guus Schreiber: ACTION Guus put spec of scope bnodes in Concepts on agenda for 6 Mar

16:59:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-236 - Put spec of scope bnodes in Concepts on agenda for 6 Mar [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-236 - Put spec of scope bnodes in Concepts on agenda for 6 Mar [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06].

17:00:42 <pfps> I can review Concepts, but I will reiterate my concerns that have not yet been addressed.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I can review Concepts, but I will reiterate my concerns that have not yet been addressed.

17:00:43 <AZ> Guus: we need reviewers for the LC draft

Guus Schreiber: we need reviewers for the LC draft

17:01:14 <pfps> There has been push back on some of them.

Peter Patel-Schneider: There has been push back on some of them.

17:01:15 <AZ> I can review too, to be sure my concerns have been addressed

I can review too, to be sure my concerns have been addressed

17:01:23 <PatH> i can review concepts.

Patrick Hayes: i can review concepts.

17:02:01 <SteveH> I'll be on vacation

Steve Harris: I'll be on vacation

17:02:21 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

17:02:21 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

17:02:51 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

17:02:51 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

17:03:06 <Guus> Peter and Ted are reviewer candidates

Guus Schreiber: Peter and Ted are reviewer candidates

17:03:25 <AZ> topic:JSON-LD

5. JSON-LD

17:03:59 <AZ> Guus: we must find reviewers for this one too

Guus Schreiber: we must find reviewers for this one too

17:04:00 <Guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Feb/0189.html

Guus Schreiber: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Feb/0189.html

17:05:15 <AZ> PatH: I'll volunteer

Patrick Hayes: I'll volunteer

17:05:20 <AZ> sandro: I'll volunteer too

Sandro Hawke: I'll volunteer too

17:06:26 <AZ> PatH: in fact, if it's now, I'll have to withdraw sorry

Patrick Hayes: in fact, if it's now, I'll have to withdraw sorry

17:06:57 <AZ> Guus: let us ask AndyS if he'd like to revieww it

Guus Schreiber: let us ask AndyS if he'd like to revieww it

17:07:06 <Guus> ACTION Guus to ask Andy to review JSPN-LD syntax doc

Guus Schreiber: ACTION Guus to ask Andy to review JSPN-LD syntax doc

17:07:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-237 - Ask Andy to review JSPN-LD syntax doc [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-237 - Ask Andy to review JSON-LD syntax doc [on Guus Schreiber - due 2013-03-06].

17:07:26 <AZ> s/JSPN-LD/JSON-LD/
17:08:23 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

17:08:26 <AZ> gkellogg: we have work to do on the API

Gregg Kellogg: we have work to do on the API

17:08:28 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

17:08:29 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

17:08:29 <Zakim> -PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH

17:08:31 <AZ> bye

bye

17:08:32 <Zakim> -markus

Zakim IRC Bot: -markus

17:08:32 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

17:08:33 <Zakim> -gkellogg

Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg

17:08:34 <Zakim> -GavinC

Zakim IRC Bot: -GavinC

17:08:34 <Zakim> -yvesr

Zakim IRC Bot: -yvesr

17:08:35 <markus> bye

Markus Lanthaler: bye

17:08:36 <Zakim> -SteveH

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH

17:08:40 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

17:08:41 <Zakim> -pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps

17:08:41 <Zakim> -Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus

17:08:48 <Zakim> -Souri

Zakim IRC Bot: -Souri

17:08:50 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

17:08:50 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.530.aaaa, Guus, pfps, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed, yvesr, GavinC, +081165aabb, AZ, AndyS, Ivan, Arnaud, markus, Sandro, Souri, PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.408.530.aaaa, Guus, pfps, gkellogg, SteveH, TallTed, yvesr, GavinC, +081165aabb, AZ, AndyS, Ivan, Arnaud, markus, Sandro, Souri, PatH

17:09:50 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting

Guus Schreiber: trackbot, end meeting

17:09:50 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

17:09:50 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

17:09:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

17:09:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot

17:09:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

17:09:59 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

17:09:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro to learn about the w3c test suite license [1]

ACTION: sandro to learn about the w3c test suite license [1]

17:09:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-irc#T16-25-05-1

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/27-rdf-wg-irc#T16-25-05-1



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