RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 June 2012

Seen
Alex Hall, Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Arnaud Le Hors, David Wood, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gavin Carothers, Gregg Kellogg, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Manu Sporny, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Scott Bauer, Souripriya Das, Steve Harris, Ted Thibodeau
Chair
David Wood
Scribe
Antoine Zimmermann
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. to accept the minutes of the 30 May telecon: link
Topics
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14:04:16 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:04:16 <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2012
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15:01:19 <Zakim> +??P10

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15:01:21 <davidwood> Zakim, who is here?

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15:01:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, davidwood, MacTed (muted), ??P10

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15:01:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH_, ScottB, pfps, AZ, Zakim, RRSAgent, gkellogg, MacTed, SteveH, gavinc, ivan, AndyS, yvesr, manu1, manu, sandro, davidwood, trackbot, NickH, ericP

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15:02:23 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- latest agenda = http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.13 (MacTed)

Ted Thibodeau: MacTed has changed the topic to: RDF-WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/ -- latest agenda = http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.06.13 (MacTed)

15:02:36 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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15:02:47 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

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15:02:48 <Zakim> +Ivan

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15:03:15 <AZ> Zakim, who is here?

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is here?

15:03:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndyS, davidwood, MacTed (muted), ??P10, gavinc, pfps, gkellogg, ScottB, SteveH_, Arnaud, Ivan

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15:03:28 <AZ> zakim, ??P10 is me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, ??P10 is me

15:03:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH_, ScottB, pfps, AZ, Zakim, RRSAgent, gkellogg, MacTed, SteveH, gavinc, ivan, AndyS, yvesr, manu1, manu, sandro, davidwood, trackbot, NickH, ericP

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15:03:38 <ivan> scribenick: AZ

(Scribe set to Antoine Zimmermann)

15:03:40 <Zakim> +AZ; got it

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15:03:45 <manu1> zakim, code?

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15:03:48 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc

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15:03:55 <davidwood> chair: David Wood
15:03:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), manu1

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15:04:22 <AZ> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:04:27 <Zakim> +??P24

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15:04:59 <manu1> q+ to request that JSON-LD be moved to the front of the agenda.

Manu Sporny: q+ to request that JSON-LD be moved to the front of the agenda.

15:05:01 <davidwood> PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 30 May telecon:

PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 30 May telecon:

15:05:02 <davidwood>    http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-05-30

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-05-30

15:05:20 <manu1> I have reviewed them - they look good. :)

Manu Sporny: I have reviewed them - they look good. :)

15:05:24 <manu1> I also scribed.

Manu Sporny: I also scribed.

15:05:24 <pfps> the minutes look fine

Peter Patel-Schneider: the minutes look fine

15:05:35 <davidwood> Review of action items

David Wood: Review of action items

15:05:35 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/pendingreview

15:05:35 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open

15:05:36 <AZ> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 30 May telecon:

RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 30 May telecon:

15:07:28 <davidwood> Topic: Summer Schedule

2. Summer Schedule

15:07:53 <pfps> Which weeks?

Peter Patel-Schneider: Which weeks?

15:08:01 <AZ> davidwood: starting july until august we do 1 meeting every 2 weeks

David Wood: starting july until august we do 1 meeting every 2 weeks

15:08:13 <pfps> Good - July 4 week off.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Good - July 4 week off.

15:08:20 <MacTed> (winter schedule for Southern Hemisphere... if we had any)

Ted Thibodeau: (winter schedule for Southern Hemisphere... if we had any)

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15:09:17 <pchampin> zakim, ??p36 is me

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15:10:04 <AZ> davidwood: 11th july, 25th july, 8 aug, 22nd aug.

David Wood: 11th july, 25th july, 8 aug, 22nd aug.

15:10:11 <manu1> I think we should try to publish the JSON-LD specs as FPWDs in July - we should do a straw poll on 11 July 2012 in this WG to make it happen (barring any serious changes)

Manu Sporny: I think we should try to publish the JSON-LD specs as FPWDs in July - we should do a straw poll on 11 July 2012 in this WG to make it happen (barring any serious changes)

15:10:20 <davidwood> Meetings to be held on 11 July, 25 July, 8 August, 22 August.  Weekly meetings to resume as of 5 September.

David Wood: Meetings to be held on 11 July, 25 July, 8 August, 22 August. Weekly meetings to resume as of 5 September.

15:10:22 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aadd

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15:10:55 <davidwood> Topic: Turtle Last Call

3. Turtle Last Call

15:11:39 <AZ> gavinc: we would need Richard's comments

Gavin Carothers: we would need Richard's comments

15:12:00 <AZ> davidwood: are the comments minor enough to go last call

David Wood: are the comments minor enough to go last call

15:12:55 <AndyS> [166s]     PN_LOCAL_ESC is unclear.  What is the precedence of adjacent and | ?

Andy Seaborne: [166s] PN_LOCAL_ESC is unclear. What is the precedence of adjacent and | ?

15:13:00 <AZ> ericP: we should remind people that it is Last Call

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we should remind people that it is Last Call

15:13:26 <pfps> If the editor isn't saying "trivial" then I don't think that we should go forward.

Peter Patel-Schneider: If the editor isn't saying "trivial" then I don't think that we should go forward.

15:13:44 <AZ> gavinc: currently the document has 2 normative big sections

Gavin Carothers: currently the document has 2 normative big sections

15:14:00 <gavinc> pfps... yeah, not going to last call

Gavin Carothers: pfps... yeah, not going to last call

15:14:28 <AZ> ericP: nwe wrote the first 2 sections to be approachable for ???

Eric Prud'hommeaux: nwe wrote the first 2 sections to be approachable for mortals

15:14:49 <ivan> s/???/mortals/
15:15:16 <AZ> ericP: we may want to make 1st section normative

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we may want to make 1st section normative

15:16:25 <AZ> gavinc: we need to take one more look at the doc

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we need to take one more look at the doc

15:16:49 <AZ> s/gavinc/ericP/
15:17:22 <Zakim> +[VrijeUni]

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15:17:30 <AZ> ericP: if we can write the doc to satisfy the WG

Eric Prud'hommeaux: if we can write the doc to satisfy the WG

15:17:44 <Guus> zakim, +[VrijeUni] is me

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15:18:05 <Guus> zakim, VrijeUni is me

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15:18:24 <AZ> ericP: we could have normative sections with subsections that are informative

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we could have normative sections with subsections that are informative

15:18:51 <AZ> ericP: or start with informtive, tutorial like, then normative hard-to-read one

Eric Prud'hommeaux: or start with informtive, tutorial like, then normative hard-to-read one

15:19:16 <gavinc> Example of the problematic sections http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#relative-iris

Gavin Carothers: Example of the problematic sections http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#relative-iris

15:20:00 <AZ> AndyS: there should not be normative sub-sections inside non-normative ones

Andy Seaborne: there should not be normative sub-sections inside non-normative ones

15:20:39 <AZ> ericP: Richard observed there was 2 definitions of everything,

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Richard observed there was 2 definitions of everything,

15:20:53 <AZ> ...: we can make one informative def and one normative

...: we can make one informative def and one normative

15:21:09 <AZ> gavinc: relative IRI section is duplicated

Gavin Carothers: relative IRI section is duplicated

15:21:26 <AZ> ... and both are normative

... and both are normative

15:21:43 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:21:43 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

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15:21:44 <AZ> ... but if we get rid of one of them it's unreadable

... but if we get rid of one of them it's unreadable

15:21:48 <MacTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

15:21:49 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

15:22:06 <AZ> ericP: I think one is informative

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think one is informative

15:22:11 <AZ> gavinc: I don't think so

Gavin Carothers: I don't think so

15:22:34 <davidwood> q+ to ask about moving changes in the Status section to the Changes section

David Wood: q+ to ask about moving changes in the Status section to the Changes section

15:23:01 <manu1> +1 to what MacTed said.

Manu Sporny: +1 to what MacTed said.

15:23:01 <AZ> ericP: it's not exact duplication, rather reformulation

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's not exact duplication, rather reformulation

15:23:38 <davidwood> ack manu

David Wood: ack manu

15:23:38 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to request that JSON-LD be moved to the front of the agenda.

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15:24:13 <AZ> manu1: probably if you have to repeat things it means there may be a problem in the organization of the doc

Manu Sporny: probably if you have to repeat things it means there may be a problem in the organization of the doc

15:24:53 <AZ> ... it may not be explained well enough, or we are getting too detailed

... it may not be explained well enough, or we are getting too detailed

15:25:06 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aaee

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15:25:22 <AZ> ... there should be a simple introduction to the concepts

... there should be a simple introduction to the concepts

15:25:39 <AZ> ... would that be difficult to reshape it this way

... would that be difficult to reshape it this way

15:26:00 <AZ> gavinc: but there are fairly large disagreements

Gavin Carothers: but there are fairly large disagreements

15:26:05 <MacTed> q-

Ted Thibodeau: q-

15:26:08 <Zakim> - +1.617.324.aadd

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15:26:21 <davidwood> ack davidwood

David Wood: ack davidwood

15:26:21 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to ask about moving changes in the Status section to the Changes section

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15:26:30 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aaff

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15:27:07 <AZ> davidwood: there are changes llisted in the status section

David Wood: there are changes llisted in the status section

15:27:37 <AZ> gavinc: I'll move that for the last call version

Gavin Carothers: I'll move that for the last call version

15:28:01 <AZ> davidwood: it's important to have this doc out, but I understand that work is needed still

David Wood: it's important to have this doc out, but I understand that work is needed still

15:28:13 <AZ> davidwood: we have a small agenda today, we can discuss it more

David Wood: we have a small agenda today, we can discuss it more

15:28:40 <AZ> gavinc: the issues are not that bad

Gavin Carothers: the issues are not that bad

15:28:56 <AZ> ... before Sec 5 are mostly informative

... before Sec 5 are mostly informative

15:29:38 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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15:29:46 <manu1> +1 to what EricP just said!

Manu Sporny: +1 to what EricP just said!

15:30:00 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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15:30:02 <ericP> \ O /"

Eric Prud'hommeaux: \ O /"

15:30:20 <AZ> ericP: we would probably not benefit a lot from discussing this now, let's have concrete decisions

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we would probably not benefit a lot from discussing this now, let's have concrete decisions

15:31:14 <AZ> davidwood: please provide comments again on the document

David Wood: please provide comments again on the document

15:31:28 <AZ> Topic: JSON LD

4. JSON LD

15:32:04 <AZ> davidwood: we had 3 people reviewing JSON LD

David Wood: we had 3 people reviewing JSON LD

15:33:13 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

15:33:16 <manu1> http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/

Manu Sporny: http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/

15:33:16 <AZ> AndyS: what is exactly the document I must review?

Andy Seaborne: what is exactly the document I must review?

15:33:25 <manu1> http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-api/

Manu Sporny: http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-api/

15:33:38 <AZ> manu1: this is the link to the doc you should be reviewing

Manu Sporny: this is the link to the doc you should be reviewing

15:34:10 <AZ> ... we will not change that doc while it's being reviewed

... we will not change that doc while it's being reviewed

15:34:17 <gavinc> wasn't there a decision to move the document into dvcs.w3.org?

Gavin Carothers: wasn't there a decision to move the document into dvcs.w3.org?

15:34:21 <manu1> We responding to RDF WG issues here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0028.html

Manu Sporny: We responding to RDF WG issues here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Jun/0028.html

15:34:43 <AZ> ... we responded to the comments there

... we responded to the comments there

15:35:00 <AZ> ... we tried to aligned as much as possible to RDF concepts

... we tried to aligned as much as possible to RDF concepts

15:35:09 <AZ> ... but there are places where we couldn't

... but there are places where we couldn't

15:35:51 <AZ> ... there was an issue on "predicate" vs "property"

... there was an issue on "predicate" vs "property"

15:36:20 <AZ> ... apart from those remaining details, everything re. terminology was addressed

... apart from those remaining details, everything re. terminology was addressed

15:36:43 <AZ> AndyS: the doc should move to w3.org

Andy Seaborne: the doc should move to w3.org

15:36:53 <AZ> davidwood: there are some issues with the community

David Wood: there are some issues with the community

15:37:15 <AZ> manu1: the JSON community have to get a clean doc and hand it to W3C

Manu Sporny: the JSON community have to get a clean doc and hand it to W3C

15:37:32 <davidwood> The RDF WG has agreed to take on the JSON-LD docs, in this form: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-05-30#resolution_2

David Wood: The RDF WG has agreed to take on the JSON-LD docs, in this form: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-05-30#resolution_2

15:38:10 <AZ> ... when the doc is ready to be an FPWD it will be given to the RDF WG

... when the doc is ready to be an FPWD it will be given to the RDF WG

15:39:03 <AZ> davidwood: the resolution was to agree to proceed by having the doc prepared under the auspice of the JSON group before going to W3C rec track

David Wood: the resolution was to agree to proceed by having the doc prepared under the auspice of the JSON group before going to W3C rec track

15:39:13 <AZ> ... but what about patent policy?

... but what about patent policy?

15:39:20 <AndyS> q+ to ask the question he was getting round to :-)

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask the question he was getting round to :-)

15:39:56 <davidwood> ack AndyS

David Wood: ack AndyS

15:39:56 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask the question he was getting round to :-)

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask the question he was getting round to :-)

15:40:05 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

15:41:13 <AZ> manu1: we believ we now have the document that RDF WG asked for

Manu Sporny: we believ we now have the document that RDF WG asked for

15:41:26 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

15:41:51 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

15:41:54 <AZ> manu1: when RDF WG agrees with the state of the doc, we will have all the IP agreement and all the process

Manu Sporny: when RDF WG agrees with the state of the doc, we will have all the IP agreement and all the process

15:42:25 <AZ> AndyS: I thought that the doc would move to the w3.org namespace

Andy Seaborne: I thought that the doc would move to the w3.org namespace

15:42:55 <AZ> ... and then would review it

... and then would review it

15:42:56 <AndyS> PS I did warn about a potential lack of time - still applies.

Andy Seaborne: PS I did warn about a potential lack of time - still applies.

15:43:26 <AZ> pchampin: will do the review by Monday (?)

Pierre-Antoine Champin: will do the review by Monday (?)

15:43:58 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

15:44:14 <AZ> manu1: the IP agreement will not be made until it has moved to the RDF WG

Manu Sporny: the IP agreement will not be made until it has moved to the RDF WG

15:44:40 <AndyS> q+ to check who will then handle the comments once it's moved - Greg? Manu? presumably.

Andy Seaborne: q+ to check who will then handle the comments once it's moved - Greg? Manu? presumably.

15:45:17 <AZ> ivan: at semtech, there was a presentation of JSON LD and some of the audience seemed to find it too complicated

Ivan Herman: at semtech, there was a presentation of JSON LD and some of the audience seemed to find it too complicated

15:45:20 <gkellogg> q+

Gregg Kellogg: q+

15:45:40 <AZ> ... some thought parts of the algorithm were not really needed

... some thought parts of the algorithm were not really needed

15:46:14 <AZ> ... from a JSON developer point of view, it seemed confusing

... from a JSON developer point of view, it seemed confusing

15:46:50 <davidwood> ack gkellogg

David Wood: ack gkellogg

15:46:52 <AZ> davidwood: the JSON dev did not want to go into a complete techno stack

David Wood: the JSON dev did not want to go into a complete techno stack

15:46:53 <manu1> AZ - Correction - the JSON-LD Syntax and API IPR agreement will not be made until this group says that they are fine with the changes we've made and want to transfer the work into this group as-is.

Manu Sporny: AZ - Correction - the JSON-LD Syntax and API IPR agreement will not be made until this group says that they are fine with the changes we've made and want to transfer the work into this group as-is.

15:47:59 <AZ> gkellogg: people were more confused by the transformation going on between formats

Gregg Kellogg: people were more confused by the transformation going on between formats

15:48:07 <davidwood> ack AndyS

David Wood: ack AndyS

15:48:07 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to check who will then handle the comments once it's moved - Greg? Manu? presumably.

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to check who will then handle the comments once it's moved - Greg? Manu? presumably.

15:49:22 <AZ> AndyS: who will be editors?

Andy Seaborne: who will be editors?

15:49:22 <AZ> davidwood: Greg Kellog, Manu Sporny and Markus

David Wood: Greg Kellog, Manu Sporny and Markus

15:49:45 <Zakim> -gkellogg

Zakim IRC Bot: -gkellogg

15:49:51 <Souri> q+ (at the risk of not fully knowing the exact issue) to express personal preference for "predicate" (because property can be used as subject, predicate, and object)

Souripriya Das: q+ (at the risk of not fully knowing the exact issue) to express personal preference for "predicate" (because property can be used as subject, predicate, and object)

15:50:12 <davidwood> ack Souri

David Wood: ack Souri

15:50:41 <PatH> sorry Im late.

Patrick Hayes: sorry Im late.

15:50:53 <gavinc> properties exist in Javascript already don't they?

Gavin Carothers: properties exist in Javascript already don't they?

15:51:05 <AZ> Souri: re. property / predicate, predicate make sense and property may be confusing also

Souripriya Das: re. property / predicate, predicate make sense and property may be confusing also

15:51:26 <Souri> pred-obj vs. prop-val, I see

Souripriya Das: pred-obj vs. prop-val, I see

15:51:30 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH

15:51:45 <AZ> manu1: for English speakers, predicate seems more technical

Manu Sporny: for English speakers, predicate seems more technical

15:52:18 <AZ> ... property is well understood and used in everyday conversation by native English speakers

... property is well understood and used in everyday conversation by native English speakers

15:52:31 <davidwood> q?

David Wood: q?

15:52:35 <gavinc> +q Javascript has property

Gavin Carothers: +q Javascript has property

15:52:43 <davidwood> ack gavinc

David Wood: ack gavinc

15:52:47 <PatH> technically the predicate denotes the proprty, but that realy is getting pedantic..

Patrick Hayes: technically the predicate denotes the proprty, but that realy is getting pedantic..

15:53:49 <PatH> i am a native and im confused.

Patrick Hayes: i am a native and im confused.

15:54:06 <gavinc> Gavin?

Gavin Carothers: Gavin?

15:54:09 <gavinc> I'm reviewing?

Gavin Carothers: I'm reviewing?

15:54:56 <AZ> manu1: if there is not issues with the reviews, we will proceed with the IPR process

Manu Sporny: if there is not issues with the reviews, we will proceed with the IPR process

15:55:12 <AZ> ... otherwise, if there are major issues, we will stop and discuss it

... otherwise, if there are major issues, we will stop and discuss it

15:55:14 <PatH> zakim, mute me

Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me

15:55:14 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: PatH should now be muted

15:55:57 <AZ> ... we will address the issues of the reviews and have the version ready in july

... we will address the issues of the reviews and have the version ready in july

15:56:47 <AZ> Topic: AOB

5. AOB

15:57:02 <Zakim> -pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps

15:57:03 <Zakim> -PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: -PatH

15:57:04 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.603.897.aacc

15:57:04 <Zakim> -??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P24

15:57:07 <Zakim> -Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan

15:57:08 <Zakim> -davidwood

Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood

15:57:08 <Zakim> -ScottB

Zakim IRC Bot: -ScottB

15:57:08 <Zakim> -AlexHall

Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexHall

15:57:10 <davidwood> Adjounred

David Wood: Adjounred

15:57:10 <AndyS> gavin?

Andy Seaborne: gavin?

15:57:12 <ericP> gavinc, meet after (my) lunch?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, meet after (my) lunch?

15:57:13 <Zakim> -gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc

15:57:14 <Zakim> -pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin

15:57:17 <davidwood> err, Adjourned

David Wood: err, Adjourned

15:57:19 <Zakim> -Guus

Zakim IRC Bot: -Guus

15:57:26 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

15:57:31 <ericP> Zakim, please disconnect ericP

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, please disconnect ericP

15:57:31 <Zakim> ericP is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP is being disconnected

15:57:32 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

15:57:36 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

15:58:22 <AndyS> gavinc, ericP --- see email re grammar problems -- risks being a material change later.

Andy Seaborne: gavinc, ericP --- see email re grammar problems -- risks being a material change later.

15:58:54 <gavinc> seen

Gavin Carothers: seen

15:58:56 <gavinc> updating

Gavin Carothers: updating

15:59:31 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

16:00:34 <AndyS> If it's HTML generation problems, might be elsewhere - inc NT.  Didn't check exhaustively.

Andy Seaborne: If it's HTML generation problems, might be elsewhere - inc NT. Didn't check exhaustively.

16:06:28 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

16:06:30 <Zakim> -SteveH_

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH_

16:06:59 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

16:07:00 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended

16:07:02 <Zakim> Attendees were AndyS, +1.781.273.aaaa, davidwood, MacTed, +1.707.861.aabb, gavinc, pfps, gkellogg, ScottB, SteveH_, Arnaud, Ivan, AZ, +1.603.897.aacc, pchampin, +1.617.324.aadd,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AndyS, +1.781.273.aaaa, davidwood, MacTed, +1.707.861.aabb, gavinc, pfps, gkellogg, ScottB, SteveH_, Arnaud, Ivan, AZ, +1.603.897.aacc, pchampin, +1.617.324.aadd,

16:07:05 <Zakim> ... Guus, +1.443.212.aaee, AlexHall, +1.617.324.aaff, ericP, PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Guus, +1.443.212.aaee, AlexHall, +1.617.324.aaff, ericP, PatH

16:07:36 <ericP> AndyS, re precedence ambiguity?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS, re precedence ambiguity?

16:08:39 <AndyS> EricP

Andy Seaborne: EricP

16:09:44 <AndyS> the 166s rule is wrong. Lost some brackets?  A B | C = (A B) | C but A (B | C) was meant.

Andy Seaborne: the 166s rule is wrong. Lost some brackets? A B | C = (A B) | C but A (B | C) was meant.

16:10:44 <ericP> ahh, that sounds like the sort of error i could have made when i was trying to strip out unnecessary ()s

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ahh, that sounds like the sort of error i could have made when i was trying to strip out unnecessary ()s

16:10:53 <gavinc> No.

Gavin Carothers: No.

16:11:03 <gavinc> It's not in the .bnf grammar

Gavin Carothers: It's not in the .bnf grammar

16:11:11 <gavinc> it's in the HTML produced from the .bnf grammar

Gavin Carothers: it's in the HTML produced from the .bnf grammar

16:11:32 <AndyS> DECIMAL thing is wrong in BNF?

Andy Seaborne: DECIMAL thing is wrong in BNF?

16:11:38 <gavinc> Yes.

Gavin Carothers: Yes.

16:12:21 <gavinc> DECIMAL was C&P pasted from our list email thread on the subject ;)

Gavin Carothers: DECIMAL was C&P pasted from our list email thread on the subject ;)

16:12:28 <gavinc> last

Gavin Carothers: last

16:13:35 <ericP> gavinc, i had hand-massaged the html so that's why i suspect the culprit whom i mentioned

Eric Prud'hommeaux: gavinc, i had hand-massaged the html so that's why i suspect the culprit whom i mentioned

16:13:51 <gavinc> ?

Gavin Carothers: ?

16:13:55 <gavinc> when?

Gavin Carothers: when?

16:14:39 <ericP> when i had my fingers in the grammar section a few weeks ago

Eric Prud'hommeaux: when i had my fingers in the grammar section a few weeks ago

16:15:02 <gavinc> ah, well since then not using yacker ;)

Gavin Carothers: ah, well since then not using yacker ;)

16:15:18 <gavinc> https://github.com/norcalrdf/pymantic/blob/master/pymantic/scripts/bnf2html

Gavin Carothers: https://github.com/norcalrdf/pymantic/blob/master/pymantic/scripts/bnf2html

16:17:34 <ericP> yacker's toString doesn't pass the parent precendence so it errs on the side of excessive ()s. i think i used it and then stripped out the ()s

Eric Prud'hommeaux: yacker's toString doesn't pass the parent precendence so it errs on the side of excessive ()s. i think i used it and then stripped out the ()s

16:18:01 <ericP> that bnf2html uses parent precedence?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: that bnf2html uses parent precedence?

16:18:07 <gavinc> yes

Gavin Carothers: yes

16:18:16 <gavinc> but didn't seem to work just right ;)

Gavin Carothers: but didn't seem to work just right ;)



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