Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 22 November 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.11.22
Seen
Craig Trim, Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Deborah McGuinness, Graham Klyne, Hook Hua, Ivan Herman, James Cheney, Jun Zhao, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Timothy Lebo, Trung Huynh
Regrets
Timothy Lebo, Stephan Zednik, Deborah McGuinness, Curt Tilmes, Craig Trim, Hook Hua, Graham Klyne
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Daniel Garijo
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. minutes of the F2F4 meeting link
Topics
  1. admin

    F2F4 minutes were approved.

  2. Summary of Timetable to CR

    Luc summarized the timetable to CR publication. CR documents must be ready by noon GMT on November 26th, for final check by chairs and Ivan. Announcement on Nov 27th. CR transition teleconference on Dec 6, and planned publication on Dec 11th. Notes to be ready for staging on Dec 5th. Vote for release of notes on Nov 29th. Questionnaires must be ready by Dec 11th.

  3. Review of Actions assigned at F2F4

    We spent the best part of 45m inutes going through all actions and closing those that were complete.

  4. Implementation Questionnaire and Test Cases

    Paul updated us on attempts to port the questionnaire to W3C WBS system. So far, so good. The outstanding question is whether it supports, in some way, multiple submissions by an individual. Dong updated the constraints testcase document, and seeded the repository with a few test cases. Interested parties should review this document: Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul agreed to provide feedback on it. Khalid offered to copy the examples from the prov-dm document to the test case repository. Dong will copy the examples from the prov-o document.

  5. Update on Rec-track documents

    Prov-dm/n/constraints are staged (so, is prov-o but it still needs Tim's final pass). Simon checked prov-dm, Dong will check prov-n, Satya is checking prov-o. Members are invited to make quick checks to find remaining buglets, before final freeze on Monday.

  6. Update on Note-track documents

    prov-primer is almost ready to go, and waiting for final approval from Robert and Stephan. Figures will be edited during the week.

  7. PROV-DC

    Simon and Craig have agreed to review prov-dc. We are asking reviewers to tell us before Thursday, whether the document is ready to be released as FPWD.

  8. other notes

    The notes on mention and overview will be released during the week for fpwd vote on Thursday. Paolo agreed to comment on overview. Nobody on the call volunteer for mention: maybe Curt and Hook would be willing to look at it when ready?

  9. Organization Ontology

    Jun will draft a response to the GLD Working Group. It will be circulated to the PROV-WG for feedback and sent to GLD WG by Nov 25 (their LC deadline).

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15:29:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

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15:29:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 31 minutes

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15:29:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:29:05 <trackbot> Date: 22 November 2012
15:42:57 <Luc> trackbot, start telcon

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15:43:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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15:43:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

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15:43:02 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

15:43:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
15:43:03 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes

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15:43:03 <trackbot> Date: 22 November 2012
15:43:19 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
15:43:32 <Luc> Scribe: DanielG

(Scribe set to Daniel Garijo)

15:43:39 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public

15:43:43 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

15:43:43 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc

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15:43:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, stain

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15:45:34 <Luc> Regrets: Timothy Lebo,  Stephan Zednik, Deborah McGuinness, Curt Tilmes, Craig Trim, Hook Hua, Graham Klyne
15:45:59 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.11.22
15:49:55 <Luc> action-123?

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Luc Moreau: ACTION-123?

15:49:55 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Luc Moreau to editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-123 -- Luc Moreau to editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

15:49:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/123

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15:55:49 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

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15:56:19 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P0 is me

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15:56:19 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

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15:56:26 <dgarijo> scribe: dgarijo
15:59:33 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa

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15:59:52 <Luc> Hi daniel, everything is ready for you

Luc Moreau: Hi daniel, everything is ready for you

15:59:56 <Zakim> +??P2

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16:00:12 <dgarijo> @Luc: thanks

@Luc: thanks

16:00:49 <Zakim> + +44.131.467.aabb

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16:00:55 <jcheney> zakim, aabb is me

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16:00:55 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

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16:00:56 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

16:00:57 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

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16:00:57 <Zakim> +Ivan

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16:02:20 <pgroth> hello

Paul Groth: hello

16:02:26 <Luc> hi

Luc Moreau: hi

16:02:34 <dgarijo> hello

hello

16:02:42 <Luc> topic: admin

1. admin

Summary: F2F4 minutes were approved.

<Luc>Summary: F2F4 minutes were approved.
16:03:15 <Zakim> +??P4

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16:03:24 <dgarijo> Luc: long agenda, although we are not many due to thanksgiving

Luc Moreau: long agenda, although we are not many due to thanksgiving

16:03:31 <Luc> proposed: minutes of the F2F4 meeting

PROPOSED: minutes of the F2F4 meeting

16:03:44 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:03:44 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

16:03:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:03:45 <dgarijo> I wasn't there: +0

I wasn't there: +0

16:03:49 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

16:03:50 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

16:03:55 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-09

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-09

16:03:59 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-10

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-10

16:04:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

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16:04:07 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Jun Zhao: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

16:04:07 <Zakim> +jun; got it

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16:04:18 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

16:04:18 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidBelhajjame; got it

16:04:22 <Luc> accepted: minutes of the F2F4 meeting

RESOLVED: minutes of the F2F4 meeting

16:04:41 <Luc> topic: Summary of Timetable to CR

2. Summary of Timetable to CR

Summary: Luc summarized the timetable to CR publication. CR documents must be ready by noon GMT on November 26th, for final check by chairs and Ivan. Announcement on Nov 27th. CR transition teleconference on Dec 6, and planned publication on Dec 11th. Notes to be ready for staging on Dec 5th. Vote for release of notes on Nov 29th. Questionnaires must be ready by Dec 11th.

<Luc>Summary: Luc summarized the timetable to CR publication. CR documents must be ready by noon GMT on November 26th, for final check by chairs and Ivan. Announcement on Nov 27th. CR transition teleconference on Dec 6, and planned publication on Dec 11th.  Notes to be ready for staging on Dec 5th. Vote for release of notes on Nov 29th. Questionnaires must be ready by Dec 11th.
16:04:43 <dgarijo> Luc: Action review

Luc Moreau: Action review

16:04:46 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

16:04:58 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

16:05:22 <Luc> Chairs announcing intent to publish CR (Nov 27th)

Luc Moreau: Chairs announcing intent to publish CR (Nov 27th)

16:05:28 <dgarijo> Luc we voted to submit the CRs so that we can announe a release on the 27th.

Luc we voted to submit the CRs so that we can announe a release on the 27th.

16:05:41 <Luc> CR transition teleconference (Dec 7th)

Luc Moreau: CR transition teleconference (Dec 7th)

16:05:59 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

16:06:00 <Luc> CR publication (Dec 11th)

Luc Moreau: CR publication (Dec 11th)

16:06:08 <Luc> Documents ready by November 26th, noon GMT

Luc Moreau: Documents ready by November 26th, noon GMT

16:06:08 <dgarijo> ... so we have a week to deal with final comments

... so we have a week to deal with final comments

16:06:18 <pgroth> really loud!!!

Paul Groth: really loud!!!

16:06:50 <pgroth> ??P8 is me

Paul Groth: ??P8 is me

16:06:58 <pgroth> zakim, ??P8 is me

Paul Groth: zakim, ??P8 is me

16:06:58 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

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16:07:02 <dgarijo> we are talking about 4 documents for recommendations. The notes can be ready at a later stage.

we are talking about 4 documents for recommendations. The notes can be ready at a later stage.

16:07:03 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:07:06 <smiles> zakim, ??P9 is me

Simon Miles: zakim, ??P9 is me

16:07:06 <Zakim> +smiles; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it

16:07:07 <Dong> one might be me

Trung Huynh: one might be me

16:07:08 <dgarijo> ... any questions?

... any questions?

16:07:11 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:07:23 <Dong> zakim, ??P9 is me

Trung Huynh: zakim, ??P9 is me

16:07:23 <Zakim> I already had ??P9 as smiles, Dong

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P9 as smiles, Dong

16:07:25 <Luc> topic: Review of Actions assigned at F2F4

3. Review of Actions assigned at F2F4

Summary: We spent the best part of 45m inutes going through all actions and closing those that were complete.

16:07:38 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open

<Luc>Summary: We spent the best part of 45m inutes going through all actions and closing those that were complete.
16:07:38 <dgarijo> Luc: Review of the f2f meeting actions.

Luc Moreau: Review of the f2f meeting actions.

16:07:44 <dgarijo> ... a long list

... a long list

16:07:45 <pgroth> zakim, who is loud?

Paul Groth: zakim, who is loud?

16:07:45 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, pgroth.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, pgroth.

16:07:47 <Luc> action-116?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-116?

16:07:47 <trackbot> ACTION-116 -- Timothy Lebo to implement cross referencing for issue 461 -- due 2012-12-13 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-116 -- Timothy Lebo to implement cross referencing for ISSUE-461 -- due 2012-12-13 -- OPEN

16:07:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/116

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/116

16:08:10 <dgarijo> ... a purely editorial issue that can be done after CR

... a purely editorial issue that can be done after CR

16:08:11 <Luc> action-122?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-122?

16:08:11 <trackbot> ACTION-122 -- Luc Moreau to - add example of document/bundle to faq explaining validity -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-122 -- Luc Moreau to - add example of document/bundle to faq explaining validity -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:08:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/122

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/122

16:08:23 <Luc> action-123?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-123?

16:08:23 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Luc Moreau to editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-123 -- Luc Moreau to editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:08:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/123

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/123

16:08:25 <dgarijo> ... Luc has not done it yet

... Luc has not done it yet

16:08:29 <pgroth> Zakim, who is noisy?

Paul Groth: Zakim, who is noisy?

16:08:40 <Zakim> pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (24%)

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (24%)

16:08:54 <dgarijo> ... 123-> Do we need a final check on this? Paul, what do you think?

... 123-> Do we need a final check on this? Paul, what do you think?

16:08:55 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

16:08:55 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

16:09:11 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

16:09:11 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

16:09:18 <Zakim> + +329331aacc

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16:09:18 <dgarijo> Luc: Ivan, should we do anything here?

Luc Moreau: Ivan, should we do anything here?

16:09:29 <dgarijo> Ivan: what specific check do you need?

Ivan Herman: what specific check do you need?

16:09:36 <SamCoppens> zakim, +329331aacc is me

Sam Coppens: zakim, +329331aacc is me

16:09:36 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it

16:09:39 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:09:39 <dgarijo> Luc: I'm happy with the result of my action.

Luc Moreau: I'm happy with the result of my action.

16:10:00 <dgarijo> Ivan: maybe you should do a last check on the abstract and references. That's it

Ivan Herman: maybe you should do a last check on the abstract and references. That's it

16:10:03 <Luc> close action-123

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-123

16:10:03 <trackbot> ACTION-123 Editor check closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-123 Editor check closed

16:10:06 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

16:10:06 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

16:10:09 <dgarijo> Luc: it's still on the to do list

Luc Moreau: it's still on the to do list

16:10:09 <Luc> action-124?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-124?

16:10:09 <trackbot> ACTION-124 -- Luc Moreau to prov-n editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-124 -- Luc Moreau to prov-n editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:10:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/124

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/124

16:10:09 <pgroth> q-

Paul Groth: q-

16:10:14 <dgarijo> Luc: will close it

Luc Moreau: will close it

16:10:16 <pgroth> no

Paul Groth: no

16:10:17 <SamCoppens> zakim, mute me

Sam Coppens: zakim, mute me

16:10:17 <Zakim> SamCoppens should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: SamCoppens should now be muted

16:10:30 <Luc> close action-124

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-124

16:10:30 <trackbot> ACTION-124 Prov-n editor check closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-124 Prov-n editor check closed

16:10:36 <dgarijo> Luc: action 124: a last check of the provn document. Can be closed, as it's done

Luc Moreau: ACTION-124: a last check of the provn document. Can be closed, as it's done

16:10:43 <Luc> action-127?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-127?

16:10:43 <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Timothy Lebo to add hadActivity example to prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-127 -- Timothy Lebo to add hadActivity example to prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:10:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/127

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/127

16:11:01 <dgarijo> Luc: action 127->Tim, about adding examples for hadActivity

Luc Moreau: ACTION-127->Tim, about adding examples for hadActivity

16:11:09 <dgarijo> Luc: Jun, can you update us

Luc Moreau: Jun, can you update us

16:11:12 <dgarijo> ?

?

16:11:23 <dgarijo> Jun: done it

Jun Zhao: done it

16:11:42 <dgarijo>  ok ok

ok ok

16:11:59 <dgarijo> LUc: Daniel will review the examples by Jun

Luc Moreau: Daniel will review the examples by Jun

16:12:00 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

16:12:03 <Luc> close action-127

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-127

16:12:03 <trackbot> ACTION-127 Add hadActivity example to prov-o closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-127 Add hadActivity example to prov-o closed

16:12:08 <dgarijo> Luc: 127 closed.

Luc Moreau: 127 closed.

16:12:10 <Luc> action-128?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-128?

16:12:10 <trackbot> ACTION-128 -- Timothy Lebo to add a statement on informative and normative in prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-128 -- Timothy Lebo to add a statement on informative and normative in prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:12:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/128

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/128

16:12:18 <pgroth> done

Paul Groth: done

16:12:21 <pgroth> said it was done

Paul Groth: said it was done

16:12:26 <pgroth> on the wiki

Paul Groth: on the wiki

16:12:49 <Luc> ivan?

Luc Moreau: ivan?

16:12:54 <dgarijo> Luc: 128->Tim. He sent a message and it's done. Given the importance of the normative section it would be good if somene could check it. Ivan?

Luc Moreau: 128->Tim. He sent a message and it's done. Given the importance of the normative section it would be good if somene could check it. Ivan?

16:12:56 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

16:12:56 <Zakim> Ivan was already muted, ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan was already muted, ivan

16:13:06 <Luc> ivan?

Luc Moreau: ivan?

16:13:09 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

16:13:09 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

16:13:35 <dgarijo> Ivan: I can do that but I don't know when. I'm out after this call.

Ivan Herman: I can do that but I don't know when. I'm out after this call.

16:13:46 <pgroth> q+ to ask about timeline

Paul Groth: q+ to ask about timeline

16:13:46 <dgarijo> Luc: I'll have a look then

Luc Moreau: I'll have a look then

16:13:55 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:13:55 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to ask about timeline

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, you wanted to ask about timeline

16:14:15 <dgarijo> pgroth: what happens if we do it until tuesday?

Paul Groth: what happens if we do it until tuesday?

16:14:22 <dgarijo> ... they are checks

... they are checks

16:14:24 <dgarijo> Ivan: no

Ivan Herman: no

16:14:34 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:14:35 <dgarijo> ... we are not supposed to change those

... we are not supposed to change those

16:15:00 <dgarijo> ...The due date is tuesday

...The due date is tuesday

16:15:14 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:15:15 <dgarijo> ... so updates on monday are still fine

... so updates on monday are still fine

16:15:22 <dgarijo> ... contact me if you need anything else

... contact me if you need anything else

16:15:25 <dgarijo> Luc: ok

Luc Moreau: ok

16:15:29 <Luc> action-129?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-129?

16:15:29 <trackbot> ACTION-129 -- Timothy Lebo to editor check prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-129 -- Timothy Lebo to editor check prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:15:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/129

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/129

16:15:39 <Luc> action-133?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-133?

16:15:39 <trackbot> ACTION-133 -- Paul Groth to draft a first one page overview -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-133 -- Paul Groth to draft a first one page overview -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:15:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/133

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/133

16:15:41 <dgarijo> ... Action 129->Tim: still in progress

... ACTION-129->Tim: still in progress

16:15:59 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/beb20fc47489/overview/overview.html

Paul Groth: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/beb20fc47489/overview/overview.html

16:16:31 <dgarijo> ... Action 133 overview of documents. Paul started it in mercurial. When does this guide need to be done? Tuesday?

... ACTION-133 overview of documents. Paul started it in mercurial. When does this guide need to be done? Tuesday?

16:16:36 <dgarijo> Luc, Ivan: no

Luc, Ivan: no

16:16:54 <dgarijo> Luc: we need a vote to release as a note, before the 11th

Luc Moreau: we need a vote to release as a note, before the 11th

16:17:23 <dgarijo> Ivan: when is our deadlilne within the group for the notes?

Ivan Herman: when is our deadlilne within the group for the notes?

16:17:32 <dgarijo> Luc: we want to publish them on December

Luc Moreau: we want to publish them on December

16:18:05 <dgarijo> Luc: some need a transition request and a publication request. If we start on the 4th of December, is that fine?

Luc Moreau: some need a transition request and a publication request. If we start on the 4th of December, is that fine?

16:18:27 <Zakim> -??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4

16:18:37 <pgroth> can't hear

Paul Groth: can't hear

16:19:05 <dgarijo> Ivan: let's try to help the web master. Sending the request 4,5 6 would be a good idea

Ivan Herman: let's try to help the web master. Sending the request 4,5 6 would be a good idea

16:19:32 <dgarijo> ... 5th or 6th should be the publication requiest. Transition request ->3rd

... 5th or 6th should be the publication requiest. Transition request ->3rd

16:19:38 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

16:19:43 <dgarijo> By 3rd the docs should be ready

By 3rd the docs should be ready

16:20:06 <dgarijo> Luc: so next week we should be ready to make the decission. That doesn't leave much time, Paul.

Luc Moreau: so next week we should be ready to make the decission. That doesn't leave much time, Paul.

16:20:21 <dgarijo> ... Mention, DC is in the same vote

... Mention, DC is in the same vote

16:20:39 <dgarijo> ... Mention and Overview at least next thursday.

... Mention and Overview at least next thursday.

16:20:58 <dgarijo> ... we need a deadline for the 27th.

... we need a deadline for the 27th.

16:21:08 <dgarijo> pgroth: I need monday to create this

Paul Groth: I need monday to create this

16:21:19 <dgarijo> .. I need someone to read it on tuesday.

.. I need someone to read it on tuesday.

16:21:22 <pgroth> ok

Paul Groth: ok

16:21:25 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

16:21:30 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:21:42 <pgroth> ok

Paul Groth: ok

16:21:48 <dgarijo> Luc: I leave the action open

Luc Moreau: I leave the action open

16:21:51 <Luc> action-134?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-134?

16:21:51 <trackbot> ACTION-134 -- Tom De Nies to draft a timetable for prov-dictionary for the next teleconference -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-134 -- Tom De Nies to draft a timetable for prov-dictionary for the next teleconference -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:21:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/134

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/134

16:22:07 <SamCoppens> zakim, unmute me

Sam Coppens: zakim, unmute me

16:22:07 <Zakim> SamCoppens should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: SamCoppens should no longer be muted

16:22:16 <dgarijo> ... 134->Tom.

... 134->Tom.

16:22:26 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

16:22:41 <dgarijo> Sam: I haven't drafted the timetable yet.

Sam Coppens: I haven't drafted the timetable yet.

16:22:46 <dgarijo> ... Tom is away.

... Tom is away.

16:23:00 <Luc> action-135?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-135?

16:23:00 <trackbot> ACTION-135 -- Luc Moreau to create a mention of document -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-135 -- Luc Moreau to create a mention of document -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:23:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/135

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/135

16:23:01 <dgarijo> ... I will have a look at it next week. Will have the timetable for next week

... I will have a look at it next week. Will have the timetable for next week

16:23:14 <SamCoppens> zakim, mute me

Sam Coppens: zakim, mute me

16:23:14 <Zakim> SamCoppens should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: SamCoppens should now be muted

16:23:15 <Luc> action-136?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-136?

16:23:15 <trackbot> ACTION-136 -- Luc Moreau to update public response on mention -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-136 -- Luc Moreau to update public response on mention -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:23:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/136

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/136

16:23:16 <dgarijo> Luc: 135-> Luc. I started but I keep the action open.

Luc Moreau: 135-> Luc. I started but I keep the action open.

16:23:42 <dgarijo> ... 136->Luc: I sent an email asking for feedback, but no answer yet.

... 136->Luc: I sent an email asking for feedback, but no answer yet.

16:23:55 <pgroth> i think this is fine

Paul Groth: i think this is fine

16:24:00 <dgarijo> ... it is the response to Graham

... it is the response to Graham

16:24:16 <Luc> close action-136

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-136

16:24:16 <trackbot> ACTION-136 Update public response on mention closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-136 Update public response on mention closed

16:24:21 <Luc> action-137?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-137?

16:24:21 <trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Paul Groth to organize closure of issues closed pending review -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-137 -- Paul Groth to organize closure of issues closed pending review -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN

16:24:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/137

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/137

16:24:23 <dgarijo> Ivan: we should not be overly formal with this one, because he's been part of the discussions.

Ivan Herman: we should not be overly formal with this one, because he's been part of the discussions.

16:24:57 <Luc> close action-137

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-137

16:24:57 <trackbot> ACTION-137 Organize closure of issues closed pending review closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-137 Organize closure of issues closed pending review closed

16:24:58 <dgarijo> ... 137-> Paul. Paul guessed was for the PAQ. All issues were either closed or reopened.

... 137-> Paul. Paul guessed was for the PAQ. All issues were either closed or reopened.

16:25:03 <Luc> action-139?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-139?

16:25:03 <trackbot> ACTION-139 -- Paul Groth to change the respec style for implementation report -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-139 -- Paul Groth to change the respec style for implementation report -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

16:25:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/139

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/139

16:25:04 <dgarijo> paul: done

Paul Groth: done

16:25:18 <Luc> close action-139

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-139

16:25:18 <trackbot> ACTION-139 Change the respec style for implementation report closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-139 Change the respec style for implementation report closed

16:25:20 <dgarijo> Luc: 139->Paul. Luc did it. Let's close it

Luc Moreau: 139->Paul. Luc did it. Let's close it

16:25:24 <Luc> action-142?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-142?

16:25:24 <trackbot> ACTION-142 -- Stephan Zednik to create 3/4 questionnaires instead of a single branching one (+ remove mention) -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-142 -- Stephan Zednik to create 3/4 questionnaires instead of a single branching one (+ remove mention) -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

16:25:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/142

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/142

16:25:25 <jcheney> q+ to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them

James Cheney: q+ to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them

16:25:58 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:26:03 <Luc> ack jcheney

Luc Moreau: ack jcheney

16:26:03 <Zakim> jcheney, you wanted to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them

Zakim IRC Bot: jcheney, you wanted to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them

16:26:05 <dgarijo> ... 142-> Stephan. Creation of 3-4 questionaires instead of one. Paul can give an update for later. It's still open.

... 142-> Stephan. Creation of 3-4 questionaires instead of one. Paul can give an update for later. It's still open.

16:26:17 <dgarijo> jcheney: my actions are pending review.

James Cheney: my actions are pending review.

16:26:40 <dgarijo> ... those are all done.

... those are all done.

16:26:46 <jcheney> 130, 131, 132

James Cheney: 130, 131, 132

16:26:53 <Luc> action-143?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-143?

16:26:53 <trackbot> ACTION-143 -- Stephan Zednik to look at wbs for the implementation questionnaire -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-143 -- Stephan Zednik to look at wbs for the implementation questionnaire -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

16:26:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/143

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/143

16:26:53 <dgarijo> Luc: 131, 132, 130 closed

Luc Moreau: 131, 132, 130 closed

16:27:13 <Luc> action-145?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-145?

16:27:13 <trackbot> ACTION-145 -- Stephan Zednik to add a question to ask about use of constraints by applications (e.g. "or the features that you implement, do you support the PROV-CONSTRAINTS?") -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-145 -- Stephan Zednik to add a question to ask about use of constraints by applications (e.g. "or the features that you implement, do you support the PROV-CONSTRAINTS?") -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

16:27:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/145

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/145

16:27:15 <dgarijo> Luc: 143. Paul will report later, it's open.

Luc Moreau: 143. Paul will report later, it's open.

16:27:27 <Luc> action-146?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-146?

16:27:27 <trackbot> ACTION-146 -- Graham Klyne to talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-146 -- Graham Klyne to talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

16:27:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/146

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/146

16:27:29 <dgarijo> Luc... 145->Stephan. Action open.

Luc... 145->Stephan. Action open.

16:27:49 <dgarijo> ... 146 Graham to talk to Jun about the constraints.

... 146 Graham to talk to Jun about the constraints.

16:28:06 <pgroth> no timeline

Paul Groth: no timeline

16:28:10 <dgarijo> Jun: GK didn't talk to me yet. I have started an implementation. What is the timeline?

Jun Zhao: GK didn't talk to me yet. I have started an implementation. What is the timeline?

16:28:16 <pgroth> well before feb 1

Paul Groth: well before feb 1

16:28:37 <dgarijo> Luc: by 31st of Jan we hope to have the implementations complete

Luc Moreau: by 31st of Jan we hope to have the implementations complete

16:28:49 <dgarijo> Jun: ok.

Jun Zhao: ok.

16:29:06 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:29:42 <dgarijo> Luc: The impl should be independent.

Luc Moreau: The impl should be independent.

16:29:43 <Luc> close action-147

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-147

16:29:43 <trackbot> ACTION-147 Editor's check on the primer closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-147 Editor's check on the primer closed

16:29:52 <Luc> close action-146

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-146

16:29:52 <trackbot> ACTION-146 Talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-146 Talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases closed

16:30:18 <dgarijo> ... action 146 -> Simon.

... ACTION-146 -> Simon.

16:30:19 <Luc> action-147?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-147?

16:30:19 <trackbot> ACTION-147 -- Simon Miles to editor's check on the primer -- due 2012-11-17 -- CLOSED

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-147 -- Simon Miles to editor's check on the primer -- due 2012-11-17 -- CLOSED

16:30:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/147

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/147

16:30:30 <dgarijo> smiles: I checked through the primer

Simon Miles: I checked through the primer

16:30:44 <dgarijo> ... but not sure if I have addressed the issue.

... but not sure if I have addressed the issue.

16:30:57 <dgarijo> ... is there any specific thing to be done?

... is there any specific thing to be done?

16:31:03 <Luc> open action-147

Luc Moreau: open ACTION-147

16:31:15 <Luc> action-148?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-148?

16:31:15 <trackbot> ACTION-148 -- Luc Moreau to produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-148 -- Luc Moreau to produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

16:31:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/148

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/148

16:31:16 <pgroth> mute, smiles

Paul Groth: mute, smiles

16:31:18 <dgarijo> Luc: ok, so the action is still open

Luc Moreau: ok, so the action is still open

16:31:33 <Luc> close action-148

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-148

16:31:33 <trackbot> ACTION-148 Produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-148 Produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents closed

16:31:38 <dgarijo> Luc: 148->js file for the bibliographic entries. Done.

Luc Moreau: 148->js file for the bibliographic entries. Done.

16:31:40 <Luc> action-149?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-149?

16:31:40 <trackbot> ACTION-149 -- Paul Groth to check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-149 -- Paul Groth to check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

16:31:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/149

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/149

16:31:52 <Luc> close action-149

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-149

16:31:52 <trackbot> ACTION-149 Check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-149 Check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review closed

16:31:54 <dgarijo> ... 149: Paul to check the current version of DC. It's done.

... 149: Paul to check the current version of DC. It's done.

16:32:06 <Luc> close action-150

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-150

16:32:06 <trackbot> ACTION-150 Remind simon what he's supposed to do closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-150 Remind simon what he's supposed to do closed

16:32:10 <dgarijo> ...150, done.

...150, done.

16:32:20 <Luc> action-151?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-151?

16:32:20 <trackbot> ACTION-151 -- Paul Groth to add a section on implementing prov and why and how -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-151 -- Paul Groth to add a section on implementing prov and why and how -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

16:32:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/151

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/151

16:33:02 <Luc> action-152?

Luc Moreau: ACTION-152?

16:33:02 <trackbot> ACTION-152 -- Craig Trim to trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-152 -- Craig Trim to trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN

16:33:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/152

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/152

16:33:02 <Dong> Paul, we have some material: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Call_For_Implementations

Trung Huynh: Paul, we have some material: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Call_For_Implementations

16:33:06 <dgarijo> ... 151->Paul. Make the implementors understand why they should adopt PROV. Paul is going to delay this.

... 151->Paul. Make the implementors understand why they should adopt PROV. Paul is going to delay this.

16:33:31 <dgarijo> ... 152-> Craig. Is someone going to put this in the wiki?

... 152-> Craig. Is someone going to put this in the wiki?

16:33:45 <dgarijo> pgroth: yes, put an action on me to do that

Paul Groth: yes, put an action on me to do that

16:33:55 <Luc> action pgroth to put the Craig's use cases on the wiki

Luc Moreau: action pgroth to put the Craig's use cases on the wiki

16:33:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-153 - Put the Craig's use cases on the wiki [on Paul Groth - due 2012-11-29].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-153 - Put the Craig's use cases on the wiki [on Paul Groth - due 2012-11-29].

16:34:02 <Luc> close action-152

Luc Moreau: close ACTION-152

16:34:02 <trackbot> ACTION-152 Trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-152 Trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance closed

16:34:07 <dgarijo> Luc: closing 152

Luc Moreau: closing 152

16:34:18 <Luc> Topic: Implementation Questionnaire and Test Cases

4. Implementation Questionnaire and Test Cases

Summary: Paul updated us on attempts to port the questionnaire to W3C WBS system. So far, so good. The outstanding question is whether it supports, in some way, multiple submissions by an individual. Dong updated the constraints testcase document, and seeded the repository with a few test cases. Interested parties should review this document: Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul agreed to provide feedback on it. Khalid offered to copy the examples from the prov-dm document to the test case repository. Dong will copy the examples from the prov-o document.

<Luc>Summary: Paul updated us on attempts to port the questionnaire to W3C WBS system. So far, so good. The outstanding question is whether it supports, in some way, multiple submissions by an individual.  Dong updated the constraints testcase document, and seeded the repository with a few test cases. Interested parties should review this document: Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul agreed to provide feedback on it. Khalid offered to copy the examples from the prov-dm document to the test case repository. Dong will copy the examples from the prov-o document.
16:34:47 <Dong> @Paul, sorry, I mistook the action with Tim's request for an implementation report landing page

Trung Huynh: @Paul, sorry, I mistook the action with Tim's request for an implementation report landing page

16:34:50 <Zakim> -??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4

16:34:59 <dgarijo> pgroth: had a chat with stephan. First draft in ?Wbf?

Paul Groth: had a chat with stephan. First draft in ?Wbf?

16:35:02 <Luc> we lost you paul

Luc Moreau: we lost you paul

16:35:15 <pgroth> sorry

Paul Groth: sorry

16:35:20 <dgarijo> Luc: let's move to the next item until paul comes back

Luc Moreau: let's move to the next item until paul comes back

16:35:21 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

16:35:30 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:36:03 <dgarijo> pgroth: stephan has done a first draft. We're having a discussion currently.

Paul Groth: stephan has done a first draft. We're having a discussion currently.

16:36:12 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:36:37 <dgarijo> pgroth: we are still figuring out things.

Paul Groth: we are still figuring out things.

16:36:38 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:36:48 <Luc> ack iv

Luc Moreau: ack iv

16:37:36 <pgroth> ok

Paul Groth: ok

16:37:38 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:37:47 <dgarijo> Ivan: as far as i know, wpf is not prepared for several entries from the same person. That being said, the call for transition had a reference to the questionaire to the google doc. We should not forget to move that as well

Ivan Herman: as far as i know, wbf is not prepared for several entries from the same person. That being said, the call for transition had a reference to the questionaire to the google doc. We should not forget to move that as well

16:37:57 <dgarijo> pgroth: timetible?

Paul Groth: timetible?

16:38:05 <ivan> s/wpf/wbf/
16:38:18 <dgarijo> Ivan: by tuesday we should know whether we use wbf or not.

Ivan Herman: by tuesday we should know whether we use wbf or not.

16:38:31 <dgarijo> pgroth: we need a bit more time to look at it.

Paul Groth: we need a bit more time to look at it.

16:38:55 <dgarijo> Ivan: we can remove the reference

Ivan Herman: we can remove the reference

16:39:17 <pgroth> sounds good

Paul Groth: sounds good

16:39:19 <dgarijo> Luc: I'm happy to leave that link. It shows the kind of info we aim to capture.

Luc Moreau: I'm happy to leave that link. It shows the kind of info we aim to capture.

16:39:20 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:39:23 <dgarijo> Ivan : ok

Ivan : ok

16:39:46 <dgarijo> Luc: test cases. Dong?

Luc Moreau: test cases. Dong?

16:39:58 <Dong> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html

Trung Huynh: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html

16:40:01 <dgarijo> dong: I received feedback and updated the process accordingly

Trung Huynh: I received feedback and updated the process accordingly

16:40:24 <dgarijo> ... if you go to that page you'll see some examples and testcases from different sources

... if you go to that page you'll see some examples and testcases from different sources

16:40:28 <Dong> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/default/testcases/constraints

Trung Huynh: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/default/testcases/constraints

16:40:44 <dgarijo> feedback welcome

feedback welcome

16:41:17 <Paolo> Looking at it...

Paolo Missier: Looking at it...

16:41:35 <pgroth> fine with me

Paul Groth: fine with me

16:41:38 <dgarijo> Luc: 4/5 people have strong interest in the constraints. Please look at those 2 documents. Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul report before the next telecon.

Luc Moreau: 4/5 people have strong interest in the constraints. Please look at those 2 documents. Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul report before the next telecon.

16:41:40 <Dong> sounds good

Trung Huynh: sounds good

16:41:41 <jun> ok for me

Jun Zhao: ok for me

16:41:42 <jcheney> sure

James Cheney: sure

16:41:45 <Paolo> Yes sure

Paolo Missier: Yes sure

16:41:54 <Luc> paul, paolo, jun, james, luc

Luc Moreau: paul, paolo, jun, james, luc

16:42:17 <pgroth> @dong it looks like the examples don't match the naming convention

Paul Groth: @dong it looks like the examples don't match the naming convention

16:42:22 <dgarijo> Dong has started to add examples

Dong has started to add examples

16:42:41 <dgarijo> Luc: could more people help to populate the repository

Luc Moreau: could more people help to populate the repository

16:42:41 <pgroth> q+ to respond

Paul Groth: q+ to respond

16:42:50 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:42:51 <dgarijo> ... we need help for this.

... we need help for this.

16:43:01 <dgarijo> pgroth: I thought we agreed not to do that

Paul Groth: I thought we agreed not to do that

16:43:46 <dgarijo> ... we should get more examples to be used for constraints but not what we already have in the documents.

... we should get more examples to be used for constraints but not what we already have in the documents.

16:44:23 <dgarijo> Luc: I understood that we need those examples. What we can't do is specify which constraint is being exercise by those examples.

Luc Moreau: I understood that we need those examples. What we can't do is specify which constraint is being exercise by those examples.

16:44:50 <dgarijo> pgroth: different naming scheme for the examples?

Paul Groth: different naming scheme for the examples?

16:44:52 <pgroth> ok

Paul Groth: ok

16:44:58 <pgroth> ok

Paul Groth: ok

16:44:59 <dgarijo> Luc: let's solve it offline

Luc Moreau: let's solve it offline

16:45:00 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:45:03 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:45:03 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to respond

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, you wanted to respond

16:45:26 <dgarijo> Luc: it would be good to have people to do some examples

Luc Moreau: it would be good to have people to do some examples

16:45:33 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:45:34 <dgarijo> ... who is willing to encode them?

... who is willing to encode them?

16:45:51 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:45:54 <Dong> @Paul, please note that the identifier scheme has been changed a bit

Trung Huynh: @Paul, please note that the identifier scheme has been changed a bit

16:46:07 <dgarijo> ... extract the text from the document and putting in the file

... extract the text from the document and putting in the file

16:46:20 <dgarijo> pgroth: we have a catalog example

Paul Groth: we have a catalog example

16:46:24 <Dong> They are, but in a same file

Trung Huynh: They are, but in a same file

16:46:50 <dgarijo> pgroth: can someone check?

Paul Groth: can someone check?

16:46:54 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

16:47:17 <jun> They are in individual files for each individual class and property

Jun Zhao: They are in individual files for each individual class and property

16:47:36 <jun> It's here; http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf

Jun Zhao: It's here; http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf

16:47:42 <satya> I think they are in : http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf

Satya Sahoo: I think they are in : http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf

16:48:28 <dgarijo> Luc: will check and come back to you in case we have any problems

Luc Moreau: will check and come back to you in case we have any problems

16:48:36 <dgarijo> ... can someone take care of DM?

... can someone take care of DM?

16:48:36 <khalidBelhajjame> the DM means prov-n examples?

Khalid Belhajjame: the DM means prov-n examples?

16:48:38 <Dong> @jun, are those different to the ones in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/beb20fc47489/examples/eg-28-prov-o-embedded-in-prov-o-html

Trung Huynh: @jun, are those different to the ones in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/beb20fc47489/examples/eg-28-prov-o-embedded-in-prov-o-html

16:48:55 <dgarijo> @Dong: yes

@Dong: yes

16:49:10 <Dong> ok, will do

Trung Huynh: ok, will do

16:49:15 <dgarijo> @those are from other parts of the document

@those are from other parts of the document

16:49:21 <jun> @Dong, not sure about your link. That's not used in our prov-o spec. But the link we just sent does

Jun Zhao: @Dong, not sure about your link. That's not used in our prov-o spec. But the link we just sent does

16:49:33 <Luc> topic: Update on Rec-track documents

5. Update on Rec-track documents

Summary: Prov-dm/n/constraints are staged (so, is prov-o but it still needs Tim's final pass). Simon checked prov-dm, Dong will check prov-n, Satya is checking prov-o. Members are invited to make quick checks to find remaining buglets, before final freeze on Monday.

<Luc>Summary:  Prov-dm/n/constraints are staged (so, is prov-o but it still needs Tim's final pass). Simon checked prov-dm, Dong will check prov-n, Satya is checking prov-o. Members are invited to make quick checks to find remaining buglets, before final freeze on Monday.
16:49:39 <dgarijo> @Jun, yes they are included. In another part

@Jun, yes they are included. In another part

16:50:02 <Dong> @dgarijo, @jun, Thanks

Trung Huynh: @dgarijo, @jun, Thanks

16:50:07 <dgarijo> Luc: we still have something to check in the status of the doc section, but documents are ready

Luc Moreau: we still have something to check in the status of the doc section, but documents are ready

16:50:14 <dgarijo> ... prov-o still in progress

... prov-o still in progress

16:50:35 <dgarijo> ... Will somebody spend 10 min checking that there are no bugs?

... Will somebody spend 10 min checking that there are no bugs?

16:50:46 <dgarijo> ... no necessary to read the content

... no necessary to read the content

16:50:46 <Zakim> -??P4

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16:50:57 <pgroth> i really really can't sorry

Paul Groth: i really really can't sorry

16:51:10 <dgarijo> I am quite overloaded, but I could try.

I am quite overloaded, but I could try.

16:51:38 <smiles> I checked the DM text, I can also check some links and the references this weekend

Simon Miles: I checked the DM text, I can also check some links and the references this weekend

16:51:41 <Zakim> +??P4

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16:51:42 <dgarijo> I'll try to do a check tomorrow.

I'll try to do a check tomorrow.

16:52:09 <dgarijo> smiles: I already sent an email with my review.

Simon Miles: I already sent an email with my review.

16:52:22 <dgarijo> ... I didnt' check all the links

... I didnt' check all the links

16:52:26 <Dong> I can check PROV-N

Trung Huynh: I can check PROV-N

16:52:32 <dgarijo> Luc: not all the links can work

Luc Moreau: not all the links can work

16:52:36 <satya> I am checking prov-o

Satya Sahoo: I am checking prov-o

16:52:59 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:53:04 <dgarijo> Luc: somebody for constraints?

Luc Moreau: somebody for constraints?

16:53:10 <Paolo> I sent some comments to James earlier?

Paolo Missier: I sent some comments to James earlier?

16:53:23 <Paolo> Ok.

Paolo Missier: Ok.

16:53:39 <dgarijo> Luc: will have a look on monday

Luc Moreau: will have a look on monday

16:53:44 <Luc> topic: Update on Note-track documents

6. Update on Note-track documents

Summary: prov-primer is almost ready to go, and waiting for final approval from Robert and Stephan. Figures will be edited during the week.

<Luc>Summary: prov-primer is almost ready to go, and waiting for final approval from Robert and Stephan. Figures will be edited during the week.
16:54:06 <dgarijo> ... don't know about prov-xml. Prov primer?

... don't know about prov-xml. Prov primer?

16:54:16 <dgarijo> smiles: all of the corrections are done

Simon Miles: all of the corrections are done

16:54:25 <dgarijo> .. I haven't got a confirmation on the issues

.. I haven't got a confirmation on the issues

16:54:32 <pgroth> can we do prov-overview next?

Paul Groth: can we do prov-overview next?

16:54:45 <dgarijo> ... Issue from Robert, Stefan, they have to confirm.

... Issue from Robert, Stefan, they have to confirm.

16:55:01 <dgarijo> ... issues with the color scheme

... issues with the color scheme

16:55:12 <Luc> topic: PROV-DC

7. PROV-DC

Summary: Simon and Craig have agreed to review prov-dc. We are asking reviewers to tell us before Thursday, whether the document is ready to be released as FPWD.

<Luc>Summary: Simon and Craig have agreed to review prov-dc. We are asking reviewers to tell us before Thursday, whether the document is ready to be released as FPWD.
16:55:14 <dgarijo> Luc: 5th of December is the deadline

Luc Moreau: 5th of December is the deadline

16:55:17 <dgarijo> smiles: ok

Simon Miles: ok

16:55:21 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:55:42 <dgarijo> pgroth: sent request to simon and craig. In a week

Paul Groth: sent request to simon and craig. In a week

16:56:34 <smiles> OK, will check regarding it is ready for FPWD by Thursday

Simon Miles: OK, will check regarding it is ready for FPWD by Thursday

16:56:45 <pgroth> q_

Paul Groth: q_

16:56:47 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:57:21 <dgarijo> pgroth: craig sent a bit of a review. Daniel will implement it

Paul Groth: craig sent a bit of a review. Daniel will implement it

16:57:37 <pgroth> ack

Paul Groth: ack

16:57:39 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

16:57:45 <dgarijo> pgroth: concerns with changes after the deadline

Paul Groth: concerns with changes after the deadline

16:57:51 <dgarijo> Ivan, Luc: it's ok.

Ivan, Luc: it's ok.

16:57:57 <Luc> topic: other notes

8. other notes

Summary: The notes on mention and overview will be released during the week for fpwd vote on Thursday. Paolo agreed to comment on overview. Nobody on the call volunteer for mention: maybe Curt and Hook would be willing to look at it when ready?

<Luc>Summary: The notes on mention and overview will be released during the week for fpwd vote on Thursday. Paolo agreed to comment on overview. Nobody on the call volunteer for mention: maybe Curt and Hook would be willing to look at it when ready?
16:58:08 <dgarijo> Luc: overview, mention discussed

Luc Moreau: overview, mention discussed

16:58:16 <dgarijo> ... we want to have a vote next week

... we want to have a vote next week

16:58:35 <pgroth> it's one page :-)

Paul Groth: it's one page :-)

16:58:39 <pgroth> the overview

Paul Groth: the overview

16:58:46 <dgarijo> ... who would be willing to go through the overview/mention document

... who would be willing to go through the overview/mention document

16:58:47 <Paolo> Overview...

Paolo Missier: Overview...

16:58:59 <dgarijo> I would like to have a look at the overview too.

I would like to have a look at the overview too.

16:59:02 <Paolo> By when again?

Paolo Missier: By when again?

16:59:24 <dgarijo> Ivan: happy to look at the overview.

Ivan Herman: happy to look at the overview.

16:59:39 <Paolo> I will do it

Paolo Missier: I will do it

16:59:55 <dgarijo> Ivan: votes for that should not be a problem

Ivan Herman: votes for that should not be a problem

17:00:00 <pgroth> paolo it would be better if you could do mention

Paul Groth: paolo it would be better if you could do mention

17:00:05 <dgarijo> ... this is just a draft

... this is just a draft

17:00:21 <Paolo> Ok Paul fine by me

Paolo Missier: Ok Paul fine by me

17:00:23 <dgarijo> Luc: feedback for thursday

Luc Moreau: feedback for thursday

17:00:28 <pgroth> or can you do both?

Paul Groth: or can you do both?

17:00:38 <dgarijo> Luc: anybody for mention'

Luc Moreau: anybody for mention'

17:00:39 <dgarijo> ?

?

17:00:47 <Paolo> Yes If overview is slim I will

Paolo Missier: Yes If overview is slim I will

17:00:51 <pgroth> cool

Paul Groth: cool

17:00:54 <pgroth> overview is really 1 page

Paul Groth: overview is really 1 page

17:00:56 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

17:01:02 <dgarijo> Luc: will have to ask Curt

Luc Moreau: will have to ask Curt

17:01:16 <Luc> topic:  Organization Ontology

9. Organization Ontology

Summary: Jun will draft a response to the GLD Working Group. It will be circulated to the PROV-WG for feedback and sent to GLD WG by Nov 25 (their LC deadline).

<Luc>Summary: Jun will draft a response to the GLD Working Group. It will be circulated to the PROV-WG for feedback and sent to GLD WG by Nov 25 (their LC deadline).
17:01:26 <dgarijo> Luc: Organization Ontology. The prov wg was asked to review this ontology.

Luc Moreau: Organization Ontology. The prov wg was asked to review this ontology.

17:01:43 <dgarijo> ... I sent my feedback to Jun, who was happy to produce a response. Jun?

... I sent my feedback to Jun, who was happy to produce a response. Jun?

17:01:51 <Luc> end of review Nov 25

Luc Moreau: end of review Nov 25

17:02:04 <dgarijo> Jun: I haven't seen the response yet.

Jun Zhao: I haven't seen the response yet.

17:02:11 <dgarijo> ... I'll have a look

... I'll have a look

17:02:32 <pgroth> 25 November

Paul Groth: 25 November

17:02:34 <dgarijo> ... Ah I see it now. I'll take a look and come back to you

... Ah I see it now. I'll take a look and come back to you

17:03:01 <dgarijo> ... the review due by 25th of december. What is the process for us to respond?

... the review due by 25th of december. What is the process for us to respond?

17:03:35 <dgarijo> Ivan: the group should know what the response is

Ivan Herman: the group should know what the response is

17:03:54 <pgroth> ask for approval by the 25?

Paul Groth: ask for approval by the 25?

17:03:56 <jun> ok. I can get it done by Friday

Jun Zhao: ok. I can get it done by Friday

17:04:00 <pgroth> cool

Paul Groth: cool

17:04:00 <dgarijo> Luc: Jun, then you should draft the response so we can formally answer

Luc Moreau: Jun, then you should draft the response so we can formally answer

17:04:16 <dgarijo> jun: ok, will have it tomorrow

Jun Zhao: ok, will have it tomorrow

17:04:24 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

17:04:26 <pgroth> wow!

Paul Groth: wow!

17:04:39 <dgarijo> Luc: thanks all. See you

Luc Moreau: thanks all. See you

17:04:39 <pgroth> @luc I can't talk after this

Paul Groth: @luc I can't talk after this

17:04:41 <khalidBelhajjame> bye

Khalid Belhajjame: bye

17:04:42 <Paolo> Bye

Paolo Missier: Bye

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17:04:44 <SamCoppens> bye

Sam Coppens: bye

17:04:44 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame

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17:04:45 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me

17:04:46 <Zakim> -jcheney

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17:04:46 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

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17:04:46 <Luc> @pgroth ok

Luc Moreau: @pgroth ok

17:04:47 <Zakim> -Ivan

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17:04:47 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

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17:04:47 <Dong> thanks, bye all

Trung Huynh: thanks, bye all

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17:04:48 <Zakim> -dgarijo

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17:05:15 <Zakim> -pgroth

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17:17:33 <Zakim> Attendees were dgarijo, +44.238.059.aaaa, +44.131.467.aabb, jcheney, Ivan, jun, khalidBelhajjame, Satya_Sahoo, pgroth, smiles, SamCoppens

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