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15:29:00 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #prov 15:29:00 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/11/22-prov-irc 15:29:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 15:29:02 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #prov 15:29:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV 15:29:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 31 minutes 15:29:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference 15:29:05 <trackbot> Date: 22 November 2012 15:37:39 <Luc> Luc has joined #prov 15:42:57 <Luc> trackbot, start telcon 15:43:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 15:43:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV 15:43:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes 15:43:02 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV 15:43:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference 15:43:03 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes 15:43:03 <trackbot> Date: 22 November 2012 15:43:19 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau 15:43:32 <Luc> Scribe: DanielG 15:43:39 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public 15:43:43 <Luc> zakim, who is here? 15:43:43 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has not yet started, Luc 15:43:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, trackbot, stain 15:45:34 <Luc> Regrets: Timothy Lebo, Stephan Zednik, Deborah McGuinness, Curt Tilmes, Craig Trim, Hook Hua, Graham Klyne 15:45:59 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.11.22 15:49:55 <Luc> action-123? 15:49:55 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Luc Moreau to editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 15:49:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/123 15:53:25 <pgroth> pgroth has joined #prov 15:55:03 <dgarijo> dgarijo has joined #prov 15:55:49 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started 15:55:56 <Zakim> +??P0 15:56:19 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P0 is me 15:56:19 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it 15:56:26 <dgarijo> scribe: dgarijo 15:58:17 <jcheney> jcheney has joined #prov 15:59:33 <Zakim> + +44.238.059.aaaa 15:59:52 <Luc> Hi daniel, everything is ready for you 15:59:56 <Zakim> +??P2 16:00:12 <dgarijo> @Luc: thanks 16:00:28 <smiles> smiles has joined #prov 16:00:49 <Zakim> + +44.131.467.aabb 16:00:55 <jcheney> zakim, aabb is me 16:00:55 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it 16:00:56 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip 16:00:57 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made 16:00:57 <Zakim> +Ivan 16:02:20 <pgroth> hello 16:02:26 <Luc> hi 16:02:33 <jun> jun has joined #prov 16:02:34 <dgarijo> hello 16:02:42 <Luc> topic: admin <Luc>Summary: F2F4 minutes were approved. 16:03:15 <Zakim> +??P4 16:03:24 <khalidBelhajjame> khalidBelhajjame has joined #prov 16:03:24 <dgarijo> Luc: long agenda, although we are not many due to thanksgiving 16:03:31 <Luc> proposed: minutes of the F2F4 meeting 16:03:44 <ivan> +1 16:03:44 <jcheney> +1 16:03:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 16:03:45 <dgarijo> I wasn't there: +0 16:03:49 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 16:03:50 <smiles> +1 16:03:55 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-09 16:03:59 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-11-10 16:04:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a] 16:04:07 <jun> zakim, [IPcaller] is me 16:04:07 <Zakim> +jun; got it 16:04:18 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me 16:04:18 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it 16:04:22 <Luc> accepted: minutes of the F2F4 meeting 16:04:41 <Luc> topic: Summary of Timetable to CR <Luc>Summary: Luc summarized the timetable to CR publication. CR documents must be ready by noon GMT on November 26th, for final check by chairs and Ivan. Announcement on Nov 27th. CR transition teleconference on Dec 6, and planned publication on Dec 11th. Notes to be ready for staging on Dec 5th. Vote for release of notes on Nov 29th. Questionnaires must be ready by Dec 11th. 16:04:43 <dgarijo> Luc: Action review 16:04:46 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo 16:04:53 <satya> satya has joined #prov 16:04:58 <Zakim> +??P8 16:05:22 <Luc> Chairs announcing intent to publish CR (Nov 27th) 16:05:28 <dgarijo> Luc we voted to submit the CRs so that we can announe a release on the 27th. 16:05:41 <Luc> CR transition teleconference (Dec 7th) 16:05:50 <Dong> Dong has joined #prov 16:05:59 <Zakim> +??P9 16:06:00 <Luc> CR publication (Dec 11th) 16:06:08 <Luc> Documents ready by November 26th, noon GMT 16:06:08 <dgarijo> ... so we have a week to deal with final comments 16:06:18 <pgroth> really loud!!! 16:06:50 <pgroth> ??P8 is me 16:06:58 <pgroth> zakim, ??P8 is me 16:06:58 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it 16:07:02 <dgarijo> we are talking about 4 documents for recommendations. The notes can be ready at a later stage. 16:07:03 <Luc> q? 16:07:06 <smiles> zakim, ??P9 is me 16:07:06 <Zakim> +smiles; got it 16:07:07 <Dong> one might be me 16:07:08 <dgarijo> ... any questions? 16:07:11 <Luc> q? 16:07:23 <Dong> zakim, ??P9 is me 16:07:23 <Zakim> I already had ??P9 as smiles, Dong 16:07:25 <Luc> topic: Review of Actions assigned at F2F4 16:07:38 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/open <Luc>Summary: We spent the best part of 45m inutes going through all actions and closing those that were complete. 16:07:38 <dgarijo> Luc: Review of the f2f meeting actions. 16:07:44 <dgarijo> ... a long list 16:07:45 <pgroth> zakim, who is loud? 16:07:45 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, pgroth. 16:07:46 <Paolo> Paolo has joined #prov 16:07:46 <SamCoppens> SamCoppens has joined #prov 16:07:47 <Luc> action-116? 16:07:47 <trackbot> ACTION-116 -- Timothy Lebo to implement cross referencing for issue 461 -- due 2012-12-13 -- OPEN 16:07:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/116 16:08:10 <dgarijo> ... a purely editorial issue that can be done after CR 16:08:11 <Luc> action-122? 16:08:11 <trackbot> ACTION-122 -- Luc Moreau to - add example of document/bundle to faq explaining validity -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:08:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/122 16:08:23 <Luc> action-123? 16:08:23 <trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Luc Moreau to editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:08:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/123 16:08:25 <dgarijo> ... Luc has not done it yet 16:08:29 <pgroth> Zakim, who is noisy? 16:08:40 <Zakim> pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ivan (24%) 16:08:54 <dgarijo> ... 123-> Do we need a final check on this? Paul, what do you think? 16:08:55 <ivan> zakim, mute me 16:08:55 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted 16:09:11 <ivan> zakim, unmute me 16:09:11 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted 16:09:18 <Zakim> + +329331aacc 16:09:18 <dgarijo> Luc: Ivan, should we do anything here? 16:09:29 <dgarijo> Ivan: what specific check do you need? 16:09:36 <SamCoppens> zakim, +329331aacc is me 16:09:36 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it 16:09:39 <pgroth> q+ 16:09:39 <dgarijo> Luc: I'm happy with the result of my action. 16:10:00 <dgarijo> Ivan: maybe you should do a last check on the abstract and references. That's it 16:10:03 <Luc> close action-123 16:10:03 <trackbot> ACTION-123 Editor check closed 16:10:06 <ivan> zakim, mute me 16:10:06 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted 16:10:09 <dgarijo> Luc: it's still on the to do list 16:10:09 <Luc> action-124? 16:10:09 <trackbot> ACTION-124 -- Luc Moreau to prov-n editor check -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:10:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/124 16:10:09 <pgroth> q- 16:10:14 <dgarijo> Luc: will close it 16:10:16 <pgroth> no 16:10:17 <SamCoppens> zakim, mute me 16:10:17 <Zakim> SamCoppens should now be muted 16:10:30 <Luc> close action-124 16:10:30 <trackbot> ACTION-124 Prov-n editor check closed 16:10:36 <dgarijo> Luc: action 124: a last check of the provn document. Can be closed, as it's done 16:10:43 <Luc> action-127? 16:10:43 <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Timothy Lebo to add hadActivity example to prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:10:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/127 16:11:01 <dgarijo> Luc: action 127->Tim, about adding examples for hadActivity 16:11:09 <dgarijo> Luc: Jun, can you update us 16:11:12 <dgarijo> ? 16:11:23 <dgarijo> Jun: done it 16:11:42 <dgarijo> ok ok 16:11:59 <dgarijo> LUc: Daniel will review the examples by Jun 16:12:00 <pgroth> yes 16:12:03 <Luc> close action-127 16:12:03 <trackbot> ACTION-127 Add hadActivity example to prov-o closed 16:12:08 <dgarijo> Luc: 127 closed. 16:12:10 <Luc> action-128? 16:12:10 <trackbot> ACTION-128 -- Timothy Lebo to add a statement on informative and normative in prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:12:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/128 16:12:18 <pgroth> done 16:12:21 <pgroth> said it was done 16:12:26 <pgroth> on the wiki 16:12:49 <Luc> ivan? 16:12:54 <dgarijo> Luc: 128->Tim. He sent a message and it's done. Given the importance of the normative section it would be good if somene could check it. Ivan? 16:12:56 <ivan> zakim, mute me 16:12:56 <Zakim> Ivan was already muted, ivan 16:13:06 <Luc> ivan? 16:13:09 <ivan> zakim, unmute me 16:13:09 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted 16:13:35 <dgarijo> Ivan: I can do that but I don't know when. I'm out after this call. 16:13:46 <pgroth> q+ to ask about timeline 16:13:46 <dgarijo> Luc: I'll have a look then 16:13:55 <Luc> ack pg 16:13:55 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to ask about timeline 16:14:15 <dgarijo> pgroth: what happens if we do it until tuesday? 16:14:22 <dgarijo> ... they are checks 16:14:24 <dgarijo> Ivan: no 16:14:34 <Luc> q? 16:14:35 <dgarijo> ... we are not supposed to change those 16:15:00 <dgarijo> ...The due date is tuesday 16:15:14 <Luc> q? 16:15:15 <dgarijo> ... so updates on monday are still fine 16:15:22 <dgarijo> ... contact me if you need anything else 16:15:25 <dgarijo> Luc: ok 16:15:29 <Luc> action-129? 16:15:29 <trackbot> ACTION-129 -- Timothy Lebo to editor check prov-o -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:15:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/129 16:15:39 <Luc> action-133? 16:15:39 <trackbot> ACTION-133 -- Paul Groth to draft a first one page overview -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:15:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/133 16:15:41 <dgarijo> ... Action 129->Tim: still in progress 16:15:59 <pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/beb20fc47489/overview/overview.html 16:16:31 <dgarijo> ... Action 133 overview of documents. Paul started it in mercurial. When does this guide need to be done? Tuesday? 16:16:36 <dgarijo> Luc, Ivan: no 16:16:54 <dgarijo> Luc: we need a vote to release as a note, before the 11th 16:17:23 <dgarijo> Ivan: when is our deadlilne within the group for the notes? 16:17:32 <dgarijo> Luc: we want to publish them on December 16:18:05 <dgarijo> Luc: some need a transition request and a publication request. If we start on the 4th of December, is that fine? 16:18:27 <Zakim> -??P4 16:18:37 <pgroth> can't hear 16:19:05 <dgarijo> Ivan: let's try to help the web master. Sending the request 4,5 6 would be a good idea 16:19:32 <dgarijo> ... 5th or 6th should be the publication requiest. Transition request ->3rd 16:19:38 <Zakim> +??P4 16:19:43 <dgarijo> By 3rd the docs should be ready 16:19:55 <Paolo> Paolo has joined #prov 16:20:06 <dgarijo> Luc: so next week we should be ready to make the decission. That doesn't leave much time, Paul. 16:20:21 <dgarijo> ... Mention, DC is in the same vote 16:20:39 <dgarijo> ... Mention and Overview at least next thursday. 16:20:58 <dgarijo> ... we need a deadline for the 27th. 16:21:08 <dgarijo> pgroth: I need monday to create this 16:21:19 <dgarijo> .. I need someone to read it on tuesday. 16:21:22 <pgroth> ok 16:21:25 <pgroth> yes 16:21:30 <Luc> q? 16:21:42 <pgroth> ok 16:21:48 <dgarijo> Luc: I leave the action open 16:21:51 <Luc> action-134? 16:21:51 <trackbot> ACTION-134 -- Tom De Nies to draft a timetable for prov-dictionary for the next teleconference -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:21:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/134 16:22:07 <SamCoppens> zakim, unmute me 16:22:07 <Zakim> SamCoppens should no longer be muted 16:22:16 <dgarijo> ... 134->Tom. 16:22:26 <pgroth> yes 16:22:41 <dgarijo> Sam: I haven't drafted the timetable yet. 16:22:46 <dgarijo> ... Tom is away. 16:23:00 <Luc> action-135? 16:23:00 <trackbot> ACTION-135 -- Luc Moreau to create a mention of document -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:23:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/135 16:23:01 <dgarijo> ... I will have a look at it next week. Will have the timetable for next week 16:23:14 <SamCoppens> zakim, mute me 16:23:14 <Zakim> SamCoppens should now be muted 16:23:15 <Luc> action-136? 16:23:15 <trackbot> ACTION-136 -- Luc Moreau to update public response on mention -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:23:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/136 16:23:16 <dgarijo> Luc: 135-> Luc. I started but I keep the action open. 16:23:42 <dgarijo> ... 136->Luc: I sent an email asking for feedback, but no answer yet. 16:23:55 <pgroth> i think this is fine 16:24:00 <dgarijo> ... it is the response to Graham 16:24:16 <Luc> close action-136 16:24:16 <trackbot> ACTION-136 Update public response on mention closed 16:24:21 <Luc> action-137? 16:24:21 <trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Paul Groth to organize closure of issues closed pending review -- due 2012-11-16 -- OPEN 16:24:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/137 16:24:23 <dgarijo> Ivan: we should not be overly formal with this one, because he's been part of the discussions. 16:24:57 <Luc> close action-137 16:24:57 <trackbot> ACTION-137 Organize closure of issues closed pending review closed 16:24:58 <dgarijo> ... 137-> Paul. Paul guessed was for the PAQ. All issues were either closed or reopened. 16:25:03 <Luc> action-139? 16:25:03 <trackbot> ACTION-139 -- Paul Groth to change the respec style for implementation report -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN 16:25:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/139 16:25:04 <dgarijo> paul: done 16:25:18 <Luc> close action-139 16:25:18 <trackbot> ACTION-139 Change the respec style for implementation report closed 16:25:20 <dgarijo> Luc: 139->Paul. Luc did it. Let's close it 16:25:24 <Luc> action-142? 16:25:24 <trackbot> ACTION-142 -- Stephan Zednik to create 3/4 questionnaires instead of a single branching one (+ remove mention) -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN 16:25:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/142 16:25:25 <jcheney> q+ to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them 16:25:58 <Luc> q? 16:26:03 <Luc> ack jcheney 16:26:03 <Zakim> jcheney, you wanted to point out that I marked my actions 130-132 pending review, so can we review/close them 16:26:05 <dgarijo> ... 142-> Stephan. Creation of 3-4 questionaires instead of one. Paul can give an update for later. It's still open. 16:26:17 <dgarijo> jcheney: my actions are pending review. 16:26:40 <dgarijo> ... those are all done. 16:26:46 <jcheney> 130, 131, 132 16:26:53 <Luc> action-143? 16:26:53 <trackbot> ACTION-143 -- Stephan Zednik to look at wbs for the implementation questionnaire -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN 16:26:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/143 16:26:53 <dgarijo> Luc: 131, 132, 130 closed 16:27:13 <Luc> action-145? 16:27:13 <trackbot> ACTION-145 -- Stephan Zednik to add a question to ask about use of constraints by applications (e.g. "or the features that you implement, do you support the PROV-CONSTRAINTS?") -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN 16:27:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/145 16:27:15 <dgarijo> Luc: 143. Paul will report later, it's open. 16:27:27 <Luc> action-146? 16:27:27 <trackbot> ACTION-146 -- Graham Klyne to talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN 16:27:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/146 16:27:29 <dgarijo> Luc... 145->Stephan. Action open. 16:27:49 <dgarijo> ... 146 Graham to talk to Jun about the constraints. 16:28:06 <pgroth> no timeline 16:28:10 <dgarijo> Jun: GK didn't talk to me yet. I have started an implementation. What is the timeline? 16:28:16 <pgroth> well before feb 1 16:28:37 <dgarijo> Luc: by 31st of Jan we hope to have the implementations complete 16:28:49 <dgarijo> Jun: ok. 16:29:06 <Luc> q? 16:29:42 <dgarijo> Luc: The impl should be independent. 16:29:43 <Luc> close action-147 16:29:43 <trackbot> ACTION-147 Editor's check on the primer closed 16:29:52 <Luc> close action-146 16:29:52 <trackbot> ACTION-146 Talk to Jun about implementation of constraints and specifically test cases closed 16:30:18 <dgarijo> ... action 146 -> Simon. 16:30:19 <Luc> action-147? 16:30:19 <trackbot> ACTION-147 -- Simon Miles to editor's check on the primer -- due 2012-11-17 -- CLOSED 16:30:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/147 16:30:30 <dgarijo> smiles: I checked through the primer 16:30:44 <dgarijo> ... but not sure if I have addressed the issue. 16:30:57 <dgarijo> ... is there any specific thing to be done? 16:31:03 <Luc> open action-147 16:31:15 <Luc> action-148? 16:31:15 <trackbot> ACTION-148 -- Luc Moreau to produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN 16:31:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/148 16:31:16 <pgroth> mute, smiles 16:31:18 <dgarijo> Luc: ok, so the action is still open 16:31:33 <Luc> close action-148 16:31:33 <trackbot> ACTION-148 Produce js file with biblio entries for prov documents closed 16:31:38 <dgarijo> Luc: 148->js file for the bibliographic entries. Done. 16:31:40 <Luc> action-149? 16:31:40 <trackbot> ACTION-149 -- Paul Groth to check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN 16:31:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/149 16:31:52 <Luc> close action-149 16:31:52 <trackbot> ACTION-149 Check for the current version of dublin core mapping + then send email to tim and craig for review closed 16:31:54 <dgarijo> ... 149: Paul to check the current version of DC. It's done. 16:32:06 <Luc> close action-150 16:32:06 <trackbot> ACTION-150 Remind simon what he's supposed to do closed 16:32:10 <dgarijo> ...150, done. 16:32:20 <Luc> action-151? 16:32:20 <trackbot> ACTION-151 -- Paul Groth to add a section on implementing prov and why and how -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN 16:32:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/151 16:33:02 <Luc> action-152? 16:33:02 <trackbot> ACTION-152 -- Craig Trim to trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance -- due 2012-11-17 -- OPEN 16:33:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/actions/152 16:33:02 <Dong> Paul, we have some material: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Call_For_Implementations 16:33:06 <dgarijo> ... 151->Paul. Make the implementors understand why they should adopt PROV. Paul is going to delay this. 16:33:31 <dgarijo> ... 152-> Craig. Is someone going to put this in the wiki? 16:33:45 <dgarijo> pgroth: yes, put an action on me to do that 16:33:55 <Luc> action pgroth to put the Craig's use cases on the wiki 16:33:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-153 - Put the Craig's use cases on the wiki [on Paul Groth - due 2012-11-29]. 16:34:02 <Luc> close action-152 16:34:02 <trackbot> ACTION-152 Trim to write a paragraph motivating needs for provenance closed 16:34:07 <dgarijo> Luc: closing 152 16:34:18 <Luc> Topic: Implementation Questionnaire and Test Cases <Luc>Summary: Paul updated us on attempts to port the questionnaire to W3C WBS system. So far, so good. The outstanding question is whether it supports, in some way, multiple submissions by an individual. Dong updated the constraints testcase document, and seeded the repository with a few test cases. Interested parties should review this document: Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul agreed to provide feedback on it. Khalid offered to copy the examples from the prov-dm document to the test case repository. Dong will copy the examples from the prov-o document. 16:34:47 <Dong> @Paul, sorry, I mistook the action with Tim's request for an implementation report landing page 16:34:50 <Zakim> -??P4 16:34:59 <dgarijo> pgroth: had a chat with stephan. First draft in ?Wbf? 16:35:02 <Luc> we lost you paul 16:35:15 <pgroth> sorry 16:35:20 <dgarijo> Luc: let's move to the next item until paul comes back 16:35:21 <Zakim> +??P4 16:35:30 <Luc> q? 16:36:03 <dgarijo> pgroth: stephan has done a first draft. We're having a discussion currently. 16:36:12 <ivan> q+ 16:36:37 <dgarijo> pgroth: we are still figuring out things. 16:36:38 <Luc> q? 16:36:48 <Luc> ack iv 16:37:36 <pgroth> ok 16:37:38 <Luc> q? 16:37:47 <dgarijo> Ivan: as far as i know, wpf is not prepared for several entries from the same person. That being said, the call for transition had a reference to the questionaire to the google doc. We should not forget to move that as well 16:37:57 <dgarijo> pgroth: timetible? 16:38:05 <ivan> s/wpf/wbf/ 16:38:18 <dgarijo> Ivan: by tuesday we should know whether we use wbf or not. 16:38:31 <dgarijo> pgroth: we need a bit more time to look at it. 16:38:55 <dgarijo> Ivan: we can remove the reference 16:39:17 <pgroth> sounds good 16:39:19 <dgarijo> Luc: I'm happy to leave that link. It shows the kind of info we aim to capture. 16:39:20 <Luc> q? 16:39:23 <dgarijo> Ivan : ok 16:39:46 <dgarijo> Luc: test cases. Dong? 16:39:58 <Dong> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/testcases/process.html 16:40:01 <dgarijo> dong: I received feedback and updated the process accordingly 16:40:24 <dgarijo> ... if you go to that page you'll see some examples and testcases from different sources 16:40:28 <Dong> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/default/testcases/constraints 16:40:44 <dgarijo> feedback welcome 16:41:17 <Paolo> Looking at it... 16:41:35 <pgroth> fine with me 16:41:38 <dgarijo> Luc: 4/5 people have strong interest in the constraints. Please look at those 2 documents. Jun, Paolo, James, Luc, Paul report before the next telecon. 16:41:40 <Dong> sounds good 16:41:41 <jun> ok for me 16:41:42 <jcheney> sure 16:41:45 <Paolo> Yes sure 16:41:54 <Luc> paul, paolo, jun, james, luc 16:42:17 <pgroth> @dong it looks like the examples don't match the naming convention 16:42:22 <dgarijo> Dong has started to add examples 16:42:41 <dgarijo> Luc: could more people help to populate the repository 16:42:41 <pgroth> q+ to respond 16:42:50 <Luc> q? 16:42:51 <dgarijo> ... we need help for this. 16:43:01 <dgarijo> pgroth: I thought we agreed not to do that 16:43:46 <dgarijo> ... we should get more examples to be used for constraints but not what we already have in the documents. 16:44:23 <dgarijo> Luc: I understood that we need those examples. What we can't do is specify which constraint is being exercise by those examples. 16:44:50 <dgarijo> pgroth: different naming scheme for the examples? 16:44:52 <pgroth> ok 16:44:58 <pgroth> ok 16:44:59 <dgarijo> Luc: let's solve it offline 16:45:00 <Luc> q? 16:45:03 <Luc> ack pg 16:45:03 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to respond 16:45:26 <dgarijo> Luc: it would be good to have people to do some examples 16:45:33 <Luc> q? 16:45:34 <dgarijo> ... who is willing to encode them? 16:45:51 <pgroth> q+ 16:45:54 <Dong> @Paul, please note that the identifier scheme has been changed a bit 16:46:07 <dgarijo> ... extract the text from the document and putting in the file 16:46:20 <dgarijo> pgroth: we have a catalog example 16:46:24 <Dong> They are, but in a same file 16:46:50 <dgarijo> pgroth: can someone check? 16:46:54 <pgroth> ack pgroth 16:47:17 <jun> They are in individual files for each individual class and property 16:47:36 <jun> It's here; http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf 16:47:42 <satya> I think they are in : http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/examples/eg-24-prov-o-html-examples/rdf/create/rdf 16:48:28 <dgarijo> Luc: will check and come back to you in case we have any problems 16:48:36 <dgarijo> ... can someone take care of DM? 16:48:36 <khalidBelhajjame> the DM means prov-n examples? 16:48:38 <Dong> @jun, are those different to the ones in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/beb20fc47489/examples/eg-28-prov-o-embedded-in-prov-o-html 16:48:55 <dgarijo> @Dong: yes 16:49:10 <Dong> ok, will do 16:49:15 <dgarijo> @those are from other parts of the document 16:49:21 <jun> @Dong, not sure about your link. That's not used in our prov-o spec. But the link we just sent does 16:49:33 <Luc> topic: Update on Rec-track documents <Luc>Summary: Prov-dm/n/constraints are staged (so, is prov-o but it still needs Tim's final pass). Simon checked prov-dm, Dong will check prov-n, Satya is checking prov-o. Members are invited to make quick checks to find remaining buglets, before final freeze on Monday. 16:49:39 <dgarijo> @Jun, yes they are included. In another part 16:50:02 <Dong> @dgarijo, @jun, Thanks 16:50:07 <dgarijo> Luc: we still have something to check in the status of the doc section, but documents are ready 16:50:14 <dgarijo> ... prov-o still in progress 16:50:35 <dgarijo> ... Will somebody spend 10 min checking that there are no bugs? 16:50:46 <dgarijo> ... no necessary to read the content 16:50:46 <Zakim> -??P4 16:50:57 <pgroth> i really really can't sorry 16:51:10 <dgarijo> I am quite overloaded, but I could try. 16:51:38 <smiles> I checked the DM text, I can also check some links and the references this weekend 16:51:41 <Zakim> +??P4 16:51:42 <dgarijo> I'll try to do a check tomorrow. 16:52:09 <dgarijo> smiles: I already sent an email with my review. 16:52:22 <dgarijo> ... I didnt' check all the links 16:52:26 <Dong> I can check PROV-N 16:52:32 <dgarijo> Luc: not all the links can work 16:52:36 <satya> I am checking prov-o 16:52:59 <Luc> q? 16:53:01 <Paolo> Paolo has joined #prov 16:53:04 <dgarijo> Luc: somebody for constraints? 16:53:06 <pgroth> pgroth has joined #prov 16:53:10 <Paolo> I sent some comments to James earlier? 16:53:23 <Paolo> Ok. 16:53:39 <dgarijo> Luc: will have a look on monday 16:53:44 <Luc> topic: Update on Note-track documents <Luc>Summary: prov-primer is almost ready to go, and waiting for final approval from Robert and Stephan. Figures will be edited during the week. 16:54:06 <dgarijo> ... don't know about prov-xml. Prov primer? 16:54:16 <dgarijo> smiles: all of the corrections are done 16:54:25 <dgarijo> .. I haven't got a confirmation on the issues 16:54:32 <pgroth> can we do prov-overview next? 16:54:45 <dgarijo> ... Issue from Robert, Stefan, they have to confirm. 16:55:01 <dgarijo> ... issues with the color scheme 16:55:12 <Luc> topic: PROV-DC <Luc>Summary: Simon and Craig have agreed to review prov-dc. We are asking reviewers to tell us before Thursday, whether the document is ready to be released as FPWD. 16:55:14 <dgarijo> Luc: 5th of December is the deadline 16:55:17 <dgarijo> smiles: ok 16:55:21 <pgroth> q+ 16:55:42 <dgarijo> pgroth: sent request to simon and craig. In a week 16:56:34 <smiles> OK, will check regarding it is ready for FPWD by Thursday 16:56:45 <pgroth> q_ 16:56:47 <pgroth> q+ 16:57:21 <dgarijo> pgroth: craig sent a bit of a review. Daniel will implement it 16:57:37 <pgroth> ack 16:57:39 <pgroth> ack pgroth 16:57:45 <dgarijo> pgroth: concerns with changes after the deadline 16:57:51 <dgarijo> Ivan, Luc: it's ok. 16:57:57 <Luc> topic: other notes <Luc>Summary: The notes on mention and overview will be released during the week for fpwd vote on Thursday. Paolo agreed to comment on overview. Nobody on the call volunteer for mention: maybe Curt and Hook would be willing to look at it when ready? 16:58:08 <dgarijo> Luc: overview, mention discussed 16:58:16 <dgarijo> ... we want to have a vote next week 16:58:23 <Paolo> Paolo has joined #prov 16:58:35 <pgroth> it's one page :-) 16:58:39 <pgroth> the overview 16:58:46 <dgarijo> ... who would be willing to go through the overview/mention document 16:58:47 <Paolo> Overview... 16:58:59 <dgarijo> I would like to have a look at the overview too. 16:59:02 <Paolo> By when again? 16:59:24 <dgarijo> Ivan: happy to look at the overview. 16:59:39 <Paolo> I will do it 16:59:55 <dgarijo> Ivan: votes for that should not be a problem 17:00:00 <pgroth> paolo it would be better if you could do mention 17:00:05 <dgarijo> ... this is just a draft 17:00:21 <Paolo> Ok Paul fine by me 17:00:23 <dgarijo> Luc: feedback for thursday 17:00:28 <pgroth> or can you do both? 17:00:38 <dgarijo> Luc: anybody for mention' 17:00:39 <dgarijo> ? 17:00:47 <Paolo> Yes If overview is slim I will 17:00:51 <pgroth> cool 17:00:54 <pgroth> overview is really 1 page 17:00:56 <Luc> q? 17:01:02 <dgarijo> Luc: will have to ask Curt 17:01:16 <Luc> topic: Organization Ontology <Luc>Summary: Jun will draft a response to the GLD Working Group. It will be circulated to the PROV-WG for feedback and sent to GLD WG by Nov 25 (their LC deadline). 17:01:26 <dgarijo> Luc: Organization Ontology. The prov wg was asked to review this ontology. 17:01:43 <dgarijo> ... I sent my feedback to Jun, who was happy to produce a response. Jun? 17:01:51 <Luc> end of review Nov 25 17:02:04 <dgarijo> Jun: I haven't seen the response yet. 17:02:11 <dgarijo> ... I'll have a look 17:02:32 <pgroth> 25 November 17:02:34 <dgarijo> ... Ah I see it now. I'll take a look and come back to you 17:03:01 <dgarijo> ... the review due by 25th of december. What is the process for us to respond? 17:03:35 <dgarijo> Ivan: the group should know what the response is 17:03:54 <pgroth> ask for approval by the 25? 17:03:56 <jun> ok. I can get it done by Friday 17:04:00 <pgroth> cool 17:04:00 <dgarijo> Luc: Jun, then you should draft the response so we can formally answer 17:04:16 <dgarijo> jun: ok, will have it tomorrow 17:04:24 <Luc> q? 17:04:26 <pgroth> wow! 17:04:39 <dgarijo> Luc: thanks all. See you 17:04:39 <pgroth> @luc I can't talk after this 17:04:41 <khalidBelhajjame> bye 17:04:42 <Paolo> Bye 17:04:43 <Zakim> -??P4 17:04:44 <SamCoppens> bye 17:04:44 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame 17:04:45 <ivan> zakim, drop me 17:04:46 <Zakim> -jcheney 17:04:46 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected 17:04:46 <Luc> @pgroth ok 17:04:47 <Zakim> -Ivan 17:04:47 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo 17:04:47 <Dong> thanks, bye all 17:04:48 <Zakim> -??P2 17:04:48 <Zakim> -dgarijo 17:04:50 <Zakim> -smiles 17:04:51 <Zakim> - +44.238.059.aaaa 17:04:56 <SamCoppens> SamCoppens has left #prov 17:05:15 <Zakim> -pgroth 17:05:16 <Zakim> -SamCoppens 17:17:32 <Zakim> -jun 17:17:33 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended 17:17:33 <Zakim> Attendees were dgarijo, +44.238.059.aaaa, +44.131.467.aabb, jcheney, Ivan, jun, khalidBelhajjame, Satya_Sahoo, pgroth, smiles, SamCoppens # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000520