Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 October 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.10.13
Seen
Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Eric Stephan, James McCusker, Kai Eckert, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Yogesh Simmhan
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Daniel Garijo
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. the minutes of Oct 06 telecon link
  2. to adopt 'prov-o' as the short name for the PROV Ontology link
Topics
  1. Admin

    Last week's minutes were approved. Reminder: sign up for Scribe!

  2. Name for 'ex-formal model' document

    Last week, we decided to drop the 'formal model' terminology, which was confusing. The group decided to adopt 'prov-o' as the short name for the PROV Ontology.

  3. PROV-DM FPWD

    the prov-dm document will be released as first working draft on Oct 18th. A release statement was prepared by Paul. The connection task force is ready to engage with its various stakeholders.

  4. Towards prov-o document fpwd

    Satya updated the working group about progress on the prov-o document. Action is set on Satya to ensure that all Data Model terms appear in the prov-o document, to justify why other terms have been introduced in the ontology, and to explain how the ontology can be seen as a lightweight schema for an rdf serialization.

  5. Interoperability

    A position document on inter-operability was presented. It is meant as a starting point for a discussion on inter-operability. The WG will have to decide what it means for implementations to inter-operate to reach the level of recommendation. Suggestions were made about test-suites and validator services. The WG is invited to contribute to the Wiki page and/or initiate email discussions on this topic. The co-chairs will engage with the leads of the Implementation and Test Cases Task Force to see how we can proceed forward.

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14:35:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

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14:35:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:35:34 <trackbot> Date: 13 October 2011
14:35:35 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:35:35 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes

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14:35:49 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.10.13
14:36:02 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:36:10 <Luc> Scribe: Daniel Garijo

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14:36:18 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public

14:36:22 <Luc> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: Last week's minutes were approved. Reminder: sign up for Scribe!

<luc> Summary: Last week's minutes were approved. Reminder: sign up for Scribe!
14:47:59 <Luc> @dgarijo, hi daniel, everything is set up for you

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Luc Moreau: @dgarijo, hi daniel, everything is set up for you

14:48:31 <dgarijo> Hi Luc, thanks a lot!

Hi Luc, thanks a lot!

14:57:10 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

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14:57:30 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P4 is me

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14:57:42 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P6 is me

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14:58:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:58:31 <pgroth_> Zkaim, +[IPCaller] is me

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14:58:47 <pgroth_> Zakim, [IPCaller] is me

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14:58:47 <Zakim> +pgroth_; got it

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14:58:48 <Zakim> +stain

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14:59:04 <stain> finally recognized by the conference bridge!

Stian Soiland-Reyes: finally recognized by the conference bridge!

14:59:12 <Zakim> +Curt_Tilmes

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15:00:21 <stain> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.10.13

Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.10.13

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15:01:11 <Paolo> zakim ??P38 is me

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15:01:20 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

15:01:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see khalidbelhajjame, Luc, dgarijo, pgroth_, stain, Curt_Tilmes, [IPcaller], +329331aaaa, +1.509.375.aabb, ??P38

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15:01:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Paolo, SamCoppens, smiles, Curt, pgroth_, khalidbelhajjame, satya, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, stain, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Paolo, SamCoppens, smiles, Curt, pgroth_, khalidbelhajjame, satya, dgarijo, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, stain, trackbot, sandro

15:01:27 <SamCoppens> zakim, +329331aaaa is me

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15:01:52 <satya> zakim, [IPCaller] is me

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15:02:03 <dgarijo> Luc: look at the name of the formal model

Luc Moreau: look at the name of the formal model

15:02:31 <dgarijo> ... review of the agenda. Any other issues?

... review of the agenda. Any other issues?

15:02:45 <Luc> PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of Oct 06 telecon

PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of Oct 06 telecon

15:02:48 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:02:49 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:02:50 <dgarijo> +1

+1

15:02:50 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

15:02:51 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:02:56 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:02:56 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:03:24 <Luc> ACCEPTED: the minutes of Oct 06 telecon

RESOLVED: the minutes of Oct 06 telecon

15:03:45 <dgarijo> Luc: no actions to review in the tracker.

Luc Moreau: no actions to review in the tracker.

15:03:54 <dgarijo> ... scribes still needed.

... scribes still needed.

15:03:58 <Luc> TOPIC: Name for 'ex-formal model' document

2. Name for 'ex-formal model' document

Summary: Last week, we decided to drop the 'formal model' terminology, which was confusing. The group decided to adopt 'prov-o' as the short name for the PROV Ontology.

<luc>Summary: Last week, we decided to drop the 'formal model' terminology, which was confusing. The group decided to adopt 'prov-o' as the short name for the PROV Ontology.
15:04:23 <dgarijo> ... formal name was confusing

... formal name was confusing

15:04:42 <stain> q+

Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+

15:04:47 <dgarijo> ... what are the proposals of the ontology?

... what are the proposals of the ontology?

15:05:01 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:05:09 <stain> PROV Ontology (PROV-O)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: PROV Ontology (PROV-O)

15:05:11 <Zakim> +??P11

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15:05:12 <dgarijo> stain: prov-ontology

Stian Soiland-Reyes: prov-ontology

15:05:12 <khalidbelhajjame> Prov-O

Khalid Belhajjame: Prov-O

15:05:26 <Luc> ack stain

Luc Moreau: ack stain

15:05:34 <JimMcCusker> Zakim, ??P11 is JimMcCusker

James McCusker: Zakim, ??P11 is JimMcCusker

15:05:40 <pgroth_> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:05:42 <stain> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/NameSuggestions lists current proposals

Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/NameSuggestions lists current proposals

15:05:43 <dgarijo> Luc: any counterproposal?

Luc Moreau: any counterproposal?

15:05:51 <Zakim> +JimMcCusker; got it

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15:05:55 <Zakim> -khalidbelhajjame

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15:06:07 <Luc> ack pgr

Luc Moreau: ack pgr

15:06:23 <dgarijo> pgroth: is prov-o general enough? (there could be other serializations not in owl).

Paul Groth: is prov-o general enough? (there could be other serializations not in owl).

15:06:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:06:39 <Zakim> +Yogesh_Simmhan

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15:06:46 <dgarijo> ... for instance if we use riff.

... for instance if we use riff.

15:06:52 <satya> @Pgroth: yes, I think that is a good point - hence we did not include OWL or OWL2 in name

Satya Sahoo: @Pgroth: yes, I think that is a good point - hence we did not include OWL or OWL2 in name

15:07:02 <dgarijo> stian: should cover any technology in the future as well.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: should cover any technology in the future as well.

15:07:06 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:08:02 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:08:06 <pgroth_> ok seems fine to me

Paul Groth: ok seems fine to me

15:08:11 <dgarijo> satya: ontology should be enough to adress the technology issues.

Satya Sahoo: ontology should be enough to adress the technology issues.

15:08:12 <stain> @Satya +1  (sound is not too bad, btw)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @Satya +1 (sound is not too bad, btw)

15:08:14 <khalidbelhajjame> For other technologies to which we want to map the provennce model, we can use PROV-ASN

Khalid Belhajjame: For other technologies to which we want to map the provennce model, we can use PROV-ASN

15:08:24 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-prov-o-20111013/ does look slightly strange.. is it 0 or O?

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-prov-o-20111013/ does look slightly strange.. is it 0 or O?

15:08:50 <dgarijo> Luc: comments: is ti 0 (zero) or O ?

Luc Moreau: comments: is it 0 (zero) or O ?

15:08:55 <stain> or http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/ for the latest version

Stian Soiland-Reyes: or http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/ for the latest version

15:08:58 <dgarijo> s/ti/it
15:09:19 <dgarijo> Luc: at some point we'll have to tackle named graphs.

Luc Moreau: at some point we'll have to tackle named graphs.

15:09:28 <stain> Stian: Not particularly bothered by o/0 - just esthetics.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Not particularly bothered by o/0 - just esthetics. [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

15:09:30 <pgroth_> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:09:35 <dgarijo> Luc: is it still right to talk about provenance ontology in that case?

Luc Moreau: is it still right to talk about provenance ontology in that case?

15:10:03 <dgarijo> pgroth: by using "ontology" we could include everything under that

Paul Groth: by using "ontology" we could include everything under that

15:10:06 <Luc> ack pgr

Luc Moreau: ack pgr

15:10:07 <Zakim> -Yogesh_Simmhan

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15:10:15 <Luc> sandro ??

Luc Moreau: sandro ??

15:10:48 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:11:05 <Paolo> prov-OM?

Paolo Missier: prov-OM?

15:11:06 <dgarijo> Luc: if we decide this name, will we be able to change it in the future?

Luc Moreau: if we decide this name, will we be able to change it in the future?

15:11:26 <dgarijo> ... prov-ONTO was also prpoposed

... prov-ONTO was also prpoposed

15:11:42 <pgroth_> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:11:42 <dgarijo> stian: an ontology is already a model.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: an ontology is already a model.

15:12:03 <dgarijo> stain: maybe the name should be similar to the paq document.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: maybe the name should be similar to the paq document.

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15:12:13 <satya> @Paolo PAM :)

Satya Sahoo: @Paolo PAM :)

15:12:49 <stain> @dgarijo - no, I meant that access-and-query is not a model, perhaps an architecture :) I meant that all 3 names won't match up with "model"

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @dgarijo - no, I meant that access-and-query is not a model, perhaps an architecture :) I meant that all 3 names won't match up with "model"

15:12:54 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:12:57 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:12:58 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:13:03 <dgarijo> pgroth: people on the mailing list say provenance ontology. prov-o captures it well. Maybe prov-sw, but is not a big issue

Paul Groth: people on the mailing list say provenance ontology. prov-o captures it well. Maybe prov-sw, but is not a big issue

15:13:05 <Luc> PROPOSED: to adopt 'prov-o' as the short name for the PROV Ontology

PROPOSED: to adopt 'prov-o' as the short name for the PROV Ontology

15:13:12 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:13:13 <JimMcCusker> +1

James McCusker: +1

15:13:14 <dgarijo> +1

+1

15:13:17 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

15:13:19 <khalidbelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:13:19 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:13:20 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:13:22 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:13:22 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

15:13:28 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:13:35 <Luc> ACCEPTED: to adopt 'prov-o' as the short name for the PROV Ontology

RESOLVED: to adopt 'prov-o' as the short name for the PROV Ontology

15:13:49 <pgroth_> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:13:55 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:14:01 <dgarijo> pgroth: how do we say it?

Paul Groth: how do we say it?

15:14:13 <satya> @Pgroth: like Bravo :)

Satya Sahoo: @Pgroth: like Bravo :)

15:14:17 <Curt> Rhymes with Bravo

Curt Tilmes: Rhymes with Bravo

15:14:26 <Luc> topic: PROV-DM FPWD

3. PROV-DM FPWD

Summary: the prov-dm document will be released as first working draft on Oct 18th. A release statement was prepared by Paul. The connection task force is ready to engage with its various stakeholders.

<luc>Summary: the  prov-dm document will be released as first working draft on Oct 18th.  A release statement was prepared by Paul.  The connection task force is ready to engage with its various stakeholders.
15:14:29 <satya> as Curt pointed out earlier ?

Satya Sahoo: as Curt pointed out earlier ?

15:14:39 <dgarijo> Luc: date of release.

Luc Moreau: date of release.

15:14:55 <JimMcCusker> @Pgroth, I think that SKOS managed to avoid people knowing, I don't think it matters. I'm a skier, so I'll probably pronounce it like the city. :-)

James McCusker: @Pgroth, I think that SKOS managed to avoid people knowing, I don't think it matters. I'm a skier, so I'll probably pronounce it like the city. :-)

15:14:58 <dgarijo> paolo: it is done. Have you got the url for it?

Paolo Missier: it is done. Have you got the url for it?

15:15:22 <Paolo> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/ProvenanceModel.html

Paolo Missier: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/ProvenanceModel.html

15:15:52 <Paolo> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/2

Paolo Missier: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/2

15:15:53 <dgarijo> ... the situation is that the document reflect the discussion on some of the issues (not all)

... the situation is that the document reflect the discussion on some of the issues (not all)

15:16:07 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-prov-dm-20111018/

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-prov-dm-20111018/

15:16:46 <dgarijo> ... some of these received enough discussion that has not been reflected in the document, but working on it. Other discussion (as in event), does not map directly to some of the issues.

... some of these received enough discussion that has not been reflected in the document, but working on it. Other discussion (as in event), does not map directly to some of the issues.

15:17:09 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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15:17:11 <dgarijo> ... what is going to happen next?

... what is going to happen next?

15:17:39 <dgarijo> Luc: try and prepare a timetable to see where we want to go in the next months

Luc Moreau: try and prepare a timetable to see where we want to go in the next months

15:18:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:18:13 <dgarijo> ... bring proposals to vote for the next telecon, in order to be able to deliver the documents to the W3C on the dates

... bring proposals to vote for the next telecon, in order to be able to deliver the documents to the W3C on the dates

15:18:38 <dgarijo> paolo: where is the input is going to come from?

Paolo Missier: where is the input is going to come from?

15:18:55 <pgroth_> the paq doesn't get to say anything ;-)

Paul Groth: the paq doesn't get to say anything ;-)

15:19:11 <dgarijo> ... already been interacting with other groups.

... already been interacting with other groups.

15:19:32 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:19:34 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

15:19:43 <Luc> ack sat

Luc Moreau: ack sat

15:20:27 <dgarijo> satya: regarding the issues that I was trying to raise: the role of constraints. We were trying to model the constraints in the ontology.

Satya Sahoo: regarding the issues that I was trying to raise: the role of constraints. We were trying to model the constraints in the ontology.

15:20:39 <dgarijo> ... suggest set of constraints as best practices.

... suggest set of constraints as best practices.

15:20:42 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:21:26 <dgarijo> ... how should we consider this?

... how should we consider this?

15:21:43 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:21:44 <satya> ok thanks

Satya Sahoo: ok thanks

15:21:44 <dgarijo> Luc: we should not address this rigtht now (not the right time9

Luc Moreau: we should not address this rigtht now (not the right time)

15:21:56 <dgarijo> s/9/)
15:22:53 <Luc> but this important, and we need to have this debate within the WG

Luc Moreau: but this important, and we need to have this debate within the WG

15:23:06 <dgarijo> pgroth: we have an official statement that weill go out to get responses from the people. Divulgation of the report.

Paul Groth: we have an official statement that weill go out to get responses from the people. Divulgation of the report.

15:23:24 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:23:53 <dgarijo> Luc: connetion of the task force report.

Luc Moreau: connetion of the task force report.

15:24:55 <dgarijo> eric: drafted some text with kai. Share some of it with Pgroth.

Eric Stephan: drafted some text with kai. Share some of it with Pgroth.

15:24:55 <khalidbelhajjame> would it be possible to share the text with everybody in the working group, just to see if ether are itmes that need to be discussed within the WG

Khalid Belhajjame: would it be possible to share the text with everybody in the working group, just to see if ether are itmes that need to be discussed within the WG

15:25:08 <dgarijo> ... everyone is welcome to join the meeting

... everyone is welcome to join the meeting

15:25:18 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:25:38 <kai> +1 (not on the phone today, just reading the minutes)

Kai Eckert: +1 (not on the phone today, just reading the minutes)

15:25:48 <Luc> topic: Towards prov-o document fpwd

4. Towards prov-o document fpwd

Summary: Satya updated the working group about progress on the prov-o document. Action is set on Satya to ensure that all Data Model terms appear in the prov-o document, to justify why other terms have been introduced in the ontology, and to explain how the ontology can be seen as a lightweight schema for an rdf serialization.

<luc>Summary: Satya updated the working group about progress on the prov-o document.  Action is set on Satya to ensure that all Data Model terms appear in the prov-o document, to justify why other terms have been introduced in the ontology, and to explain how the ontology can be seen as a lightweight schema for an rdf serialization.
15:25:51 <stain> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/ontology/Overview.html is current draft

Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/ontology/Overview.html is current draft

15:26:42 <dgarijo> satya: update on the document. 2 directions: 1) to meet some of the syntatic requirements (most of it done)

Satya Sahoo: update on the document. 2 directions: 1) to meet some of the syntatic requirements (most of it done)

15:26:42 <khalidbelhajjame> Items to report from the Formal model (or ontology) group

Khalid Belhajjame: Items to report from the Formal model (or ontology) group

15:26:44 <khalidbelhajjame> - Working on validating and making the html document compliant with the requirements.

Khalid Belhajjame: - Working on validating and making the html document compliant with the requirements.

15:26:46 <khalidbelhajjame> Satya identified the tasks need to be done for that purpose, and we assigned the list of tasks among ourselves.

Khalid Belhajjame: Satya identified the tasks need to be done for that purpose, and we assigned the list of tasks among ourselves.

15:26:48 <khalidbelhajjame> I believe that most of the issues has already been dealt with.

Khalid Belhajjame: I believe that most of the issues has already been dealt with.

15:26:49 <khalidbelhajjame> - The OWL ontology was modified to be in line with the PROV-DM.

Khalid Belhajjame: - The OWL ontology was modified to be in line with the PROV-DM.

15:26:51 <khalidbelhajjame> - Similarily, the HTML document was updated to include classes and properties and be in line with the PROV-DM.

Khalid Belhajjame: - Similarily, the HTML document was updated to include classes and properties and be in line with the PROV-DM.

15:26:53 <khalidbelhajjame> - The Diagram representing the ontology was also updated. The diagrams representing the examples (Crime-File and workflow provenance) may still need to be modified to relect the new changes.

Khalid Belhajjame: - The Diagram representing the ontology was also updated. The diagrams representing the examples (Crime-File and workflow provenance) may still need to be modified to relect the new changes.

15:26:54 <khalidbelhajjame> - Satya is working on the constraints.

Khalid Belhajjame: - Satya is working on the constraints.

15:26:56 <khalidbelhajjame> - Any other thing Tim, Stian?

Khalid Belhajjame: - Any other thing Tim, Stian?

15:27:20 <dgarijo> stian: added namespaces and fixed images (relative paths vs external links to the wiki).

Stian Soiland-Reyes: added namespaces and fixed images (relative paths vs external links to the wiki).

15:27:34 <dgarijo> ... did xhtml vs html4. We can do either.

... did xhtml vs html4. We can do either.

15:27:36 <satya> @Khalid: nice documentation!

Satya Sahoo: @Khalid: nice documentation!

15:27:58 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:28:09 <dgarijo> satya: the second direction: we are aligned with the data model as much as possible.

Satya Sahoo: the second direction: we are aligned with the data model as much as possible.

15:28:22 <pgroth_> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:28:29 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:28:33 <dgarijo> Luc: estimated release date?

Luc Moreau: estimated release date?

15:29:07 <dgarijo> satya: last week we released one. We are continuing the process.

Satya Sahoo: last week we released one. We are continuing the process.

15:29:36 <dgarijo> ... right now can be considered as a released document.

... right now can be considered as a released document.

15:30:11 <dgarijo> pgroth: wondering on the status on putting all the concepts of the datamodel into the ontology model

Paul Groth: wondering on the status on putting all the concepts of the datamodel into the ontology model

15:30:42 <khalidbelhajjame> There is a section at the end of the document that identifies the concepts (relations) that are not considered in the ontology yet

Khalid Belhajjame: There is a section at the end of the document that identifies the concepts (relations) that are not considered in the ontology yet

15:30:43 <Luc> and vice-versa!

Luc Moreau: and vice-versa!

15:30:43 <dgarijo> ... you could give an idea of which concepts are NOT yet defined in the ontology.

... you could give an idea of which concepts are NOT yet defined in the ontology.

15:31:00 <dgarijo> @khalid, did we add the shortcuts too?

@khalid, did we add the shortcuts too?

15:31:14 <khalidbelhajjame> @Daniel, not yet

Khalid Belhajjame: @Daniel, not yet

15:31:43 <dgarijo> @khalid, then we should :) I'll give it a try afterwards.

@khalid, then we should :) I'll give it a try afterwards.

15:31:50 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:31:53 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:32:00 <dgarijo> satya: will do that later

Satya Sahoo: will do that later

15:32:08 <khalidbelhajjame> @Daniel, yeas please go ahead, and we can discuss it in the next (Monday) telecon

Khalid Belhajjame: @Daniel, yeas please go ahead, and we can discuss it in the next (Monday) telecon

15:32:38 <dgarijo> Luc: very important  point.

Luc Moreau: very important point.

15:32:40 <Luc> This document is part of a set of specifications aiming to define the various aspects that are necessary to achieve the visition on inter-operable interchange of provenance information in heterogeneous environments such as the Web. This document defines the PROV-DM data model for provenance, accompanied with a notation to express instances of that data model for human consumption. Two other documents, to be released shortly, are: 1) a normative serialization of PRO

Luc Moreau: This document is part of a set of specifications aiming to define the various aspects that are necessary to achieve the visition on inter-operable interchange of provenance information in heterogeneous environments such as the Web. This document defines the PROV-DM data model for provenance, accompanied with a notation to express instances of that data model for human consumption. Two other documents, to be released shortly, are: 1) a normative serialization of PRO

15:33:12 <Paolo> visition  -> vision :-)

Paolo Missier: visition -> vision :-)

15:33:15 <stain> : 1) a normative serialization of PROV-DM in RDF, specified by means of a mapping to the OWL2 Web Ontology Language; 2) the mechanisms for accessing and querying provenance.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: : 1) a normative serialization of PROV-DM in RDF, specified by means of a mapping to the OWL2 Web Ontology Language; 2) the mechanisms for accessing and querying provenance.

15:33:16 <Luc> , specified by means of a mapping to the OWL2 Web Ontology Language; 2) the mechanisms for accessing and querying provenance.

Luc Moreau: , specified by means of a mapping to the OWL2 Web Ontology Language; 2) the mechanisms for accessing and querying provenance.

15:33:45 <stain> @Paolo, I like visitations :) Kind of invitation-visits

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @Paolo, I like visitations :) Kind of invitation-visits

15:34:14 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:34:24 <dgarijo> Luc: it should be clear to readers that all the concept on the data model document are taken in consideration in the ontology. And viceversa: if something is not on the datamodel, then it should be clear too

Luc Moreau: it should be clear to readers that all the concept on the data model document are taken in consideration in the ontology. And viceversa: if something is not on the datamodel, then it should be clear too

15:34:49 <dgarijo> satya: the owl ontology is modelling of the data model, not necesarilly a mapping.

Satya Sahoo: the owl ontology is modelling of the data model, not necesarilly a mapping.

15:35:18 <dgarijo> satya: Agrees with Luc, but some of the concepts may not be "encodable" in owl.

Satya Sahoo: Agrees with Luc, but some of the concepts may not be "encodable" in owl.

15:36:01 <dgarijo> ... we may not be able to map the model directly

... we may not be able to map the model directly

15:36:07 <dgarijo> ... in to owl.

... in to owl.

15:36:42 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:36:47 <dgarijo> Luc: we are going to serialize the model in RDF, that is the message sent to the semantic community.

Luc Moreau: we are going to serialize the model in RDF, that is the message sent to the semantic community.

15:37:23 <dgarijo> ... Ivan was raising is that the kind of the ontology. Is owl-dl? is it simpler?

... Ivan was raising is that the kind of the ontology. Is owl-dl? is it simpler?

15:37:31 <stain> I think it's OWL-Lite at the moment

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I think it's OWL-Lite at the moment

15:37:50 <pgroth_> could you talk about that in the document

Paul Groth: could you talk about that in the document

15:37:50 <stain> but depending on how much of the constraints we need to describe it might increase to DL

Stian Soiland-Reyes: but depending on how much of the constraints we need to describe it might increase to DL

15:37:59 <dgarijo> satya: it should not be owl-full, since it is not decidable.

Satya Sahoo: it should not be owl-full, since it is not decidable.

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15:38:23 <Luc> is it OWL2-RL?

Luc Moreau: is it OWL2-RL?

15:38:26 <dgarijo> we haven't found anything that constraint us to anything more that owl dl

we haven't found anything that constraint us to anything more that owl dl

15:39:02 <dgarijo> we haven't specified any specific constraints yet

we haven't specified any specific constraints yet

15:39:09 <Zakim> +??P4

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15:39:29 <stain> it's closer to RDFS, plus owl:IrreflexiveProperty, etc

Stian Soiland-Reyes: it's closer to RDFS, plus owl:IrreflexiveProperty, etc

15:39:34 <satya> PROV-O has DL expressivity of ALR+

Satya Sahoo: PROV-O has DL expressivity of ALR+

15:39:37 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:39:38 <dgarijo> Luc: share the documents to get feedback from Sandro, Ivan and others.

Luc Moreau: share the documents to get feedback from Sandro, Ivan and others.

15:39:42 <pgroth_> q+

Paul Groth: q+

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15:40:30 <Luc> action on satya to ensure all terms of DM appear in prov-o document

Luc Moreau: action on satya to ensure all terms of DM appear in prov-o document

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15:41:08 <dgarijo> pgroth: sum up of what has been decided in the telecon

Paul Groth: sum up of what has been decided in the telecon

15:41:16 <satya> @Pgroth: lightweight?

Satya Sahoo: @Pgroth: lightweight?

15:41:41 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

15:41:48 <Luc> action satya to ensure all terms of DM appear in prov-o document, to justify why other terms are introduced, and to explain lightweight nature of owl ontology

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15:41:50 <pgroth_> q-

Paul Groth: q-

15:42:00 <dgarijo> @Luc, thanks for recording it.

@Luc, thanks for recording it.

15:42:07 <pgroth_> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:42:13 <Luc> ack sat

Luc Moreau: ack sat

15:42:16 <dgarijo> satya: what do we mean by lightweight?

Satya Sahoo: what do we mean by lightweight?

15:42:21 <satya> q-

Satya Sahoo: q-

15:42:45 <satya> @Pgroth :)

Satya Sahoo: @Pgroth :)

15:42:50 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

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15:43:23 <dgarijo> pgroth: (too much noise) when we say it's the rdf community means that not doing any crazy modelling of the ontology.

Paul Groth: (too much noise) when we say it's the rdf community means that not doing any crazy modelling of the ontology.

15:43:35 <Zakim> +??P8

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15:43:57 <dgarijo> satya: stian has already demonstrated that we can use the ontology for some examples in different scenarios

Satya Sahoo: stian has already demonstrated that we can use the ontology for some examples in different scenarios

15:44:03 <khalidbelhajjame> zakim, ??P8 is me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, ??P8 is me

15:44:03 <Zakim> +khalidbelhajjame; got it

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15:44:08 <stain> agree

Stian Soiland-Reyes: agree

15:44:22 <Luc> topic: Interoperability

5. Interoperability

Summary: A position document on inter-operability was presented. It is meant as a starting point for a discussion on inter-operability. The WG will have to decide what it means for implementations to inter-operate to reach the level of recommendation. Suggestions were made about test-suites and validator services. The WG is invited to contribute to the Wiki page and/or initiate email discussions on this topic. The co-chairs will engage with the leads of the Implementation and Test Cases Task Force to see how we can proceed forward.

<luc>Summary: A position document  on inter-operability was presented.  It is meant as a starting point for a discussion on inter-operability. The WG will have to decide what it means for implementations to inter-operate to reach the level of recommendation.  Suggestions were made about test-suites and validator services. The WG is invited to contribute to the Wiki page and/or initiate email discussions on this topic. The co-chairs will engage with the leads of  the Implementation and Test Cases Task Force to see how we can proceed forward.
15:44:24 <stain> to not scare away people who have been bitten by the massive-owl-full-ontologies

Stian Soiland-Reyes: to not scare away people who have been bitten by the massive-owl-full-ontologies

15:44:37 <pgroth_> @stain - exactly

Paul Groth: @stain - exactly

15:44:50 <dgarijo> Luc: we will have to decide what we mean by interoperability

Luc Moreau: we will have to decide what we mean by interoperability

15:44:54 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Interoperability

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Interoperability

15:45:00 <dgarijo> ... no answers yet

... no answers yet

15:45:23 <dgarijo> ... document with some ideas to see if it makes sense.

... document with some ideas to see if it makes sense.

15:46:10 <dgarijo> ... the document sumarizes the charter and certain aspects: define the data model independant of any toechnology and mapping to certain technologies.

... the document sumarizes the charter and certain aspects: define the data model independant of any toechnology and mapping to certain technologies.

15:46:30 <dgarijo> ... given this, what do we mean by interoperability? Ennumerated 3 types.

... given this, what do we mean by interoperability? Ennumerated 3 types.

15:46:58 <dgarijo> ... it is not a complete set of types of interoperability. It is just to start the discussion.

... it is not a complete set of types of interoperability. It is just to start the discussion.

15:47:31 <dgarijo> ... the first one: not loose any information when changing the representation.

... the first one: not loose any information when changing the representation.

15:47:56 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

15:48:18 <dgarijo> second one: different representation with different forms of inference. What you inferr in one representation is desireable to be inferred in the other one.

second one: different representation with different forms of inference. What you inferr in one representation is desireable to be inferred in the other one.

15:49:05 <dgarijo> ... thir one: similar to the provenance challenge objective: different provenance systems recording provenance in different formats:  end to end interoperability through systems.

... thir one: similar to the provenance challenge objective: different provenance systems recording provenance in different formats: end to end interoperability through systems.

15:49:32 <dgarijo> ... terms in different vocaubaries: ns for the datamodel, ns for the ontology. Is it possible to reuse common urls?

... terms in different vocaubaries: ns for the datamodel, ns for the ontology. Is it possible to reuse common urls?

15:49:58 <khalidbelhajjame> +q

Khalid Belhajjame: +q

15:49:59 <dgarijo> ... this might not be complete yet, but enough to initiate the debate.

... this might not be complete yet, but enough to initiate the debate.

15:50:05 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:50:08 <stain> what is declared in http://www.w3.org/ns/prov/ ? "role" and "type" only?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: what is declared in http://www.w3.org/ns/prov-dm/ ? "role" and "type" only?

15:50:10 <dgarijo> ... opinions?

... opinions?

15:50:25 <dgarijo> satya: on what context are we discussing this?

Satya Sahoo: on what context are we discussing this?

15:50:37 <stain> s/prov/prov-dm/
15:51:23 <dgarijo> Luc: to reach the level of recommendation, we should have at least 2 different approaches that are interoperable

Luc Moreau: to reach the level of recommendation, we should have at least 2 different approaches that are interoperable

15:52:32 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:52:36 <Luc> ack sat

Luc Moreau: ack sat

15:52:43 <dgarijo> satya: data integration. If we are using RDF for the formato of data integration, are we saying that we are going to define a new set of technologies, or reuse the existant ones?

Satya Sahoo: data integration. If we are using RDF for the formato of data integration, are we saying that we are going to define a new set of technologies, or reuse the existant ones?

15:52:46 <satya> q-

Satya Sahoo: q-

15:53:06 <dgarijo> khalid: prov language as an interchange format

Khalid Belhajjame: prov language as an interchange format

15:53:32 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:53:35 <dgarijo> ... what is expresable with our language that is not with other languages

... what is expresable with our language that is not with other languages

15:53:37 <Luc> ack kha

Luc Moreau: ack kha

15:53:46 <dgarijo> ... and what are our limitations?

... and what are our limitations?

15:53:55 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:54:05 <dgarijo> +q

+q

15:54:17 <Luc> ack dg

Luc Moreau: ack dg

15:54:30 <satya> sorry I have to leave now, will try to follow up on this discussion over mails

Satya Sahoo: sorry I have to leave now, will try to follow up on this discussion over mails

15:55:10 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:55:32 <Zakim> -satya

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15:55:51 <pgroth_> echo

Paul Groth: echo

15:55:53 <Paolo> q+

Paolo Missier: q+

15:55:53 <stain> Zakim, who is making noise?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, who is making noise?

15:56:00 <pgroth_> no

Paul Groth: no

15:56:01 <stain> mute please

Stian Soiland-Reyes: mute please

15:56:04 <Zakim> stain, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (46%), dgarijo (45%), ??P38 (49%)

Zakim IRC Bot: stain, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (46%), dgarijo (45%), ??P38 (49%)

15:56:20 <stain> dgarijo: could you put it on IRC as well what you said?

Daniel Garijo: could you put it on IRC as well what you said? [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

15:56:50 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:56:54 <Luc> ack pao

Luc Moreau: ack pao

15:57:02 <pgroth_> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:58:00 <dgarijo> dgarijo: we should not restrict ourselves to the vocabularies that model provenance , but also show examples with some tools (Taverna, wings, etc). We should look for potential clients that can adopt our model.

Daniel Garijo: we should not restrict ourselves to the vocabularies that model provenance , but also show examples with some tools (Taverna, wings, etc). We should look for potential clients that can adopt our model.

15:58:05 <Luc> ack pgro

Luc Moreau: ack pgro

15:58:34 <dgarijo> pgroth: what do we mean by interoperable between 2 serializations?

Paul Groth: what do we mean by interoperable between 2 serializations?

15:59:05 <dgarijo> pgroth: how do we check that one serialization has used correctly the other one?

Paul Groth: how do we check that one serialization has used correctly the other one?

15:59:09 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

15:59:12 <dgarijo> ... build test cases

... build test cases

15:59:23 <Luc> ack eri

Luc Moreau: ack eri

16:00:16 <dgarijo> eric: how introperable are you?

Eric Stephan: how introperable are you?

16:00:36 <stain> convert testcase format a1->b1->a2->b2->a3  - compare a2 and a1 manually, automatically compare b2==b1 and a2==a3

Stian Soiland-Reyes: convert testcase format a1->b1->a2->b2->a3 - compare a2 and a1 manually, automatically compare b2==b1 and a2==a3

16:01:04 <Paolo> the design of compliance test cases should be central to the interop effort

Paolo Missier: the design of compliance test cases should be central to the interop effort

16:01:41 <dgarijo> eric: seeing R model in owl.

Eric Stephan: seeing R model in owl.

16:01:52 <dgarijo> eric: explain how we did the connections

Eric Stephan: explain how we did the connections

16:02:00 <dgarijo> ... between 2 serializations.

... between 2 serializations.

16:02:22 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:02:29 <dgarijo> Luc:  the integration aspect is crucial, and potentially can be linked to some docs.

Luc Moreau: the integration aspect is crucial, and potentially can be linked to some docs.

16:02:50 <pgroth_> we have a task force for this?

Paul Groth: we have a task force for this?

16:02:51 <pgroth_> no?

Paul Groth: no?

16:02:56 <dgarijo> Luc: paolo, do you have an idea of how the compliance test cases should look like?

Luc Moreau: paolo, do you have an idea of how the compliance test cases should look like?

16:02:58 <khalidbelhajjame> Is it just me who think that talking about interoperability between different serializations of the same model is unusual?

Khalid Belhajjame: Is it just me who think that talking about interoperability between different serializations of the same model is unusual?

16:03:10 <pgroth_> so maybe we should we start to engage this task force

Paul Groth: so maybe we should we start to engage this task force

16:03:31 <stain> I don't think interoperabable X would need to express anything we have in PROV?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I don't think interoperabable X would need to express anything we have in PROV?

16:03:40 <dgarijo> paolo: how do you know that your serialization is compliant with the good one?

Paolo Missier: how do you know that your serialization is compliant with the good one?

16:03:43 <Zakim> -JimMcCusker

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16:03:51 <JimMcCusker> gotta run to another call, TTYL

James McCusker: gotta run to another call, TTYL

16:03:56 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:04:11 <pgroth_> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:04:19 <khalidbelhajjame> +q

Khalid Belhajjame: +q

16:04:25 <dgarijo> pgroth: task force on this?

Paul Groth: task force on this?

16:05:06 <khalidbelhajjame> -q

Khalid Belhajjame: -q

16:05:09 <dgarijo> Luc: engage the user task force in this.

Luc Moreau: engage the user task force in this.

16:05:13 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

16:05:40 <dgarijo> paolo: is it realistic that we develop something to check compliance to the prov model?

Paolo Missier: is it realistic that we develop something to check compliance to the prov model?

16:05:41 <khalidbelhajjame> +q

Khalid Belhajjame: +q

16:05:54 <khalidbelhajjame> -q

Khalid Belhajjame: -q

16:05:56 <stain> could we have something similar to a validator?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: could we have something similar to a validator?

16:05:57 <dgarijo> Luc: not our job to give certification of compliance.

Luc Moreau: not our job to give certification of compliance.

16:06:00 <stain> it could check the constraints etc

Stian Soiland-Reyes: it could check the constraints etc

16:06:08 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes

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16:07:06 <dgarijo> khalid: (too much noise) some ideas to check if a model is compliant?

Khalid Belhajjame: (too much noise) some ideas to check if a model is compliant?

16:07:28 <dgarijo> @khalid: can you summarize, please? I coulnd't hear you well.

@khalid: can you summarize, please? I coulnd't hear you well.

16:08:13 <dgarijo> stian: check that something complies with a set of provenance assertions. It could be syntatic&semantic validation.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: check that something complies with a set of provenance assertions. It could be syntatic&semantic validation.

16:08:14 <khalidbelhajjame> I think it is not difficult to check the conformance to the model, but it is harder to check that the system use and use correctly the provenance

Khalid Belhajjame: I think it is not difficult to check the conformance to the model, but it is harder to check that the system use and use correctly the provenance

16:08:19 <Paolo> def need to go further than syntax validation

Paolo Missier: def need to go further than syntax validation

16:08:32 <dgarijo> @khalid: thanks!

@khalid: thanks!

16:08:40 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:08:52 <pgroth_> q+

Paul Groth: q+

16:09:35 <dgarijo> pgroth: those who have proposals of what interoperability should be, raise discussions on the mailing list

Paul Groth: those who have proposals of what interoperability should be, raise discussions on the mailing list

16:09:46 <Luc> or keep on editing the wiki page ...

Luc Moreau: or keep on editing the wiki page ...

16:10:05 <pgroth_> q-

Paul Groth: q-

16:10:27 <dgarijo> Luc: action on Pgroth and Luc to engage the user task force.

Luc Moreau: action on Pgroth and Luc to engage the user task force.

16:10:47 <khalidbelhajjame> Ok

Khalid Belhajjame: Ok

16:10:50 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:10:55 <dgarijo> Luc: please edit the wiki page if you have further proposals.

Luc Moreau: please edit the wiki page if you have further proposals.

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16:11:07 <Luc> exit

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16:12:54 <dgarijo> Hi luc

Hi luc

16:13:10 <Luc> hi daniel, thanks for scribing, i'll deal with it from now

Luc Moreau: hi daniel, thanks for scribing, i'll deal with it from now

16:13:10 <dgarijo> are you going to save the log?

are you going to save the log?

16:13:18 <dgarijo> thanks

thanks

16:13:25 <dgarijo> see you !

see you !

16:13:29 <Luc> rrsagent, set log public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public

16:13:41 <Luc> rrsagent, draft minutes

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:13:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-prov-minutes.html Luc

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16:13:42 <Luc> trackbot, end telcon

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Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:25:27 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Luc, khalidbelhajjame, dgarijo, pgroth_, stain, Curt_Tilmes,  +1.509.375.aabb, SamCoppens, satya, JimMcCusker, [IPcaller],

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Luc, khalidbelhajjame, dgarijo, pgroth_, stain, Curt_Tilmes, +1.509.375.aabb, SamCoppens, satya, JimMcCusker, [IPcaller],

16:25:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:25:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-prov-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/13-prov-minutes.html trackbot

16:25:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:25:29 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items

16:25:31 <Zakim> ... Yogesh_Simmhan

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yogesh_Simmhan



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