GLD Weekly telecon

Minutes of 06 December 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121206
Seen
Agis Papantoniou, Dan Brickley, Dave Reynolds, Ghislain Atemezing, Gofran Shukair, Jindřich Mynarz, Joao Almeida, Makx Dekkers, Phil Archer, Sandro Hawke
Guests
Dan Brickley
Chair
Phil Archer
Scribe
Sandro Hawke
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
  1. Org Vocab

    There are three substative issues that may require a second Last Call and some others that are probably editorial; will continue in the new year. Also big question arose about refering/depending on other vocabs that might change.

  2. RegOrg Vocab

    Agis expects to have a new draft done in the next few days, before the next meeting, which may address all the current comments.

  3. ISSUE-45 (organization address)

    org and regorg use vcard. vcard is incompatible with INSPIRE. uh oh.

<sandro> Guest: Dan Brickley
<sandro> Topic: Org Vocab

1. Org Vocab

Summary: There are three substative issues that may require a second Last Call and some others that are probably editorial; will continue in the new year. Also big question arose about refering/depending on other vocabs that might change.

<sandro> Summary: There are three substative issues that may require a second Last Call and some others that are probably editorial; will continue in the new year.   Also big question arose about refering/depending on other vocabs that might change.
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14:55:13 <PhilA2> zakim, this will be gld

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14:58:52 <PhilA2> zakim, code?

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15:00:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:00:30 <PhilA2> zakim, IPcaller is me

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15:00:52 <PhilA2> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20121206
15:00:57 <PhilA2> chair: PhilA
15:01:15 <PhilA2> regrets+ Bernadette, Richard

Phil Archer: regrets+ Bernadette, Richard

15:01:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:01:28 <PhilA2> meeting: G:D Weekly telecon
15:02:08 <agipap> zakim, IPcaller is me

Agis Papantoniou: zakim, IPcaller is me

15:02:08 <Zakim> +agipap; got it

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15:02:55 <PhilA2> s/G:D/GLD
15:03:43 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaaa

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15:03:56 <Zakim> +Sandro

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15:05:01 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

15:05:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see PhilA2, agipap, gatemezi, Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see PhilA2, agipap, gatemezi, Sandro

15:05:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see GofranShu, jmynarz, makx, agipap, gatemezi, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, MacTed, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see GofranShu, jmynarz, makx, agipap, gatemezi, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, MacTed, trackbot, sandro

15:05:08 <makx> having problems getting voice connection

Makx Dekkers: having problems getting voice connection

15:05:24 <Zakim> +??P39

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15:06:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:06:38 <makx> I seem to have a similar problem from here, using voip

Makx Dekkers: I seem to have a similar problem from here, using voip

15:06:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:06:57 <PhilA2> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/5

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/5

15:07:40 <sandro> scribe: sandro

(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)

15:07:42 <jpalmeida> I am ipcaller

Joao Almeida: I am ipcaller

15:07:48 <Zakim> +??P1

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15:07:58 <PhilA2> zakim, IPcaller is jpalmeida

Phil Archer: zakim, IPcaller is jpalmeida

15:07:58 <Zakim> +jpalmeida; got it

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15:08:41 <PhilA2> ORG open issues etc. http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/5

Phil Archer: ORG open issues etc. http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/5

15:08:43 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_LC_comments

Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_LC_comments

15:09:16 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Main_Page

15:09:20 <PhilA2> sandro: I haven't announced this but I've re-done the group's home page

Sandro Hawke: I haven't announced this but I've re-done the group's home page [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:09:25 <Zakim> + +352.6.2.1.1.9.aabb

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15:09:29 <GofranShu> Zakim, mute me

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15:09:29 <Zakim> sorry, GofranShu, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

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15:09:45 <GofranShu> zakim, who is here?

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15:09:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see PhilA2, agipap, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, ??P39, DaveReynolds, jpalmeida, ??P1, +352.6.2.1.1.9.aabb

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15:09:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see jpalmeida, BartvanLeeuwen, DaveReynolds, GofranShu, jmynarz, makx, agipap, gatemezi, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, MacTed, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jpalmeida, BartvanLeeuwen, DaveReynolds, GofranShu, jmynarz, makx, agipap, gatemezi, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA2, MacTed, trackbot, sandro

15:10:04 <GofranShu> Zakim, ??P1 is me

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15:10:04 <Zakim> +GofranShu; got it

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15:10:07 <GofranShu> Zakim, mute me

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15:10:07 <Zakim> GofranShu should now be muted

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15:10:37 <sandro> sandro: please look at and improve  http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Main_Page

Sandro Hawke: please look at and improve http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Main_Page

15:10:48 <sandro> phil: where are we on org LC comments

Phil Archer: where are we on org LC comments

15:11:15 <sandro> DaveReynolds: None of the comments have been addressed.        The PROV ones are suggestions on how to use PROV -- they will require work to address.

Dave Reynolds: None of the comments have been addressed. The PROV ones are suggestions on how to use PROV -- they will require work to address.

15:11:25 <sandro> DaveReynolds: Then a minor omission ISSUE-42

Dave Reynolds: Then a minor omission ISSUE-42

15:11:33 <jpalmeida> yes

Joao Almeida: yes

15:11:38 <jmynarz> Zakim, ??P39 is me.

Jindřich Mynarz: Zakim, ??P39 is me.

15:11:38 <Zakim> +jmynarz; got it

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15:11:48 <sandro> .. The jpalmeida pointed out stuff that's ISSUE-48 and ISSUE-49

.. The jpalmeida pointed out stuff that's ISSUE-48 and ISSUE-49

15:12:00 <sandro> .. plus the diagram

.. plus the diagram

15:12:19 <sandro> .. trying to collect the set, and before addressing them we should be clear this is the complete set.

.. trying to collect the set, and before addressing them we should be clear this is the complete set.

15:12:32 <sandro> .. jpalmeida, do you have any more comments?

.. jpalmeida, do you have any more comments?

15:13:04 <sandro> jpalmeida: Do you mean issue-48 and issue-49 and the diagrams?   Is that the list you're referring to?

Joao Almeida: Do you mean ISSUE-48 and ISSUE-49 and the diagrams? Is that the list you're referring to?

15:13:43 <sandro> DaveReynolds: That's what I've got so far from all our emails.  Is that all of your feedback, or is there otherfeed back that isn't captured in that list.

Dave Reynolds: That's what I've got so far from all our emails. Is that all of your feedback, or is there otherfeed back that isn't captured in that list.

15:14:00 <sandro> jpalmeida: There are some questions that arise from these discussions.

Joao Almeida: There are some questions that arise from these discussions.

15:14:10 <sandro> jpalmeida: Is Post really a subclass of Organization?

Joao Almeida: Is Post really a subclass of Organization?

15:14:27 <sandro> jpalmeida: Is this the final view of the group?

Joao Almeida: Is this the final view of the group?

15:14:53 <sandro> jpalmeida: All subclasses of foaf:Agent, so gender, birthdate, come from foaf.

Joao Almeida: All subclasses of foaf:Agent, so gender, birthdate, come from foaf.

15:15:07 <sandro> .. I see there are different views in the group.

.. I see there are different views in the group.

15:15:44 <sandro> DaveReynolds: I've stated my views.            Agents optionally having birthdays doesn't cause problems.

Dave Reynolds: I've stated my views. Agents optionally having birthdays doesn't cause problems.

15:16:01 <sandro> DaveReynolds: Do you feel we have the complete set of last call comments.

Dave Reynolds: Do you feel we have the complete set of last call comments.

15:16:24 <sandro> DaveReynolds: Is everything you're concerns about on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_LC_comments ?

Dave Reynolds: Is everything you're concerns about on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_LC_comments ?

15:16:59 <sandro> jpalmeida: (something about birthday semantics)

Joao Almeida: (something about birthday semantics)

15:17:05 <jpalmeida> so what is the semantics of the gender of organizations?

Joao Almeida: so what is the semantics of the gender of organizations?

15:17:11 <sandro> DaveReynolds: The question is whether you need that to be addressed.

Dave Reynolds: The question is whether you need that to be addressed.

15:17:33 <PhilA2> q+

Phil Archer: q+

15:18:05 <sandro> jpalmeida: If we say that Org is a subclass of foaf:Agent, then we should be able to say what it means for an Org to have a gender.

Joao Almeida: If we say that Org is a subclass of foaf:Agent, then we should be able to say what it means for an Org to have a gender.

15:18:56 <sandro> PhilA2: The question right now is whether the list of last call comments is a fair representation of the comments you've made.  We'll come back to everything on that list.

Phil Archer: The question right now is whether the list of last call comments is a fair representation of the comments you've made. We'll come back to everything on that list.

15:19:19 <PhilA2> q-

Phil Archer: q-

15:19:36 <sandro> .. so that when we've dealt with everything on that list we'll know we've dealt with every Last Call comment.

.. so that when we've dealt with everything on that list we'll know we've dealt with every Last Call comment.

15:20:03 <sandro> DaveReynolds: The two issues you've raised on this call are not on that list right now.

Dave Reynolds: The two issues you've raised on this call are not on that list right now.

15:20:26 <jpalmeida> thanks

Joao Almeida: thanks

15:20:38 <sandro> jpalmeida: Yes, those two need to be on this list, too.

Joao Almeida: Yes, those two need to be on this list, too.

15:21:03 <sandro> DaveReynolds: These require substantial discussion, so there will be no motion on Org this calendar year.

Dave Reynolds: These require substantial discussion, so there will be no motion on Org this calendar year.

15:21:50 <sandro> DaveReynolds: jpalmeida's comments may require a substantial change, and thus a Second Last Call

Dave Reynolds: jpalmeida's comments may require a substantial change, and thus a Second Last Call

15:22:00 <sandro> PhilA2: Aside from those two, do you think one call will be enough?

Phil Archer: Aside from those two, do you think one call will be enough?

15:22:10 <sandro> .. What do you need from the rest o fhte group

.. What do you need from the rest o fhte group

15:22:33 <sandro> DaveReynolds: Aside from jpalmeida's issues, it's issue-42

Dave Reynolds: Aside from jpalmeida's issues, it's ISSUE-42

15:22:57 <sandro> DaveReynolds: All the others ones are editorial; no LC2 needed.

Dave Reynolds: All the others ones are editorial; no LC2 needed.

15:24:13 <sandro> DaveReynolds: The non-trivial issues are ISSUE-45 (on RegOrg *and* Org) and the two jpalmeida talked about today.     issue-42 issue-48 and issue-49 are editorial, I believe.

Dave Reynolds: The non-trivial issues are ISSUE-45 (on RegOrg *and* Org) and the two jpalmeida talked about today. ISSUE-42 ISSUE-48 and ISSUE-49 are editorial, I believe.

15:25:16 <DaveReynolds> Issue: Should org:Organization be sub-class of foaf:Agent (consider birthday property as a test case)

ISSUE: Should org:Organization be sub-class of foaf:Agent (consider birthday property as a test case)

15:25:16 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-50 - Should org:Organization be sub-class of foaf:Agent (consider birthday property as a test case) ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/50/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-50 - Should org:Organization be sub-class of foaf:Agent (consider birthday property as a test case) ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/50/edit .

15:25:35 <DaveReynolds> Issue: Should org:Post be a sub class of org:Organzation

ISSUE: Should org:Post be a sub class of org:Organzation

15:25:36 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-51 - Should org:Post be a sub class of org:Organzation ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/51/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-51 - Should org:Post be a sub class of org:Organzation ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/51/edit .

15:26:11 <sandro> DaveReynolds: So the substantive issues, that might need an LC2 are ISSUE-45 ISSUE-50 and ISSUE-51.

Dave Reynolds: So the substantive issues, that might need an LC2 are ISSUE-45 ISSUE-50 and ISSUE-51.

15:26:13 <jpalmeida> thanks

Joao Almeida: thanks

15:26:24 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/index.php?title=ORG_LC_comments&oldid=3122  is ORG LC Comments as of right now.

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/index.php?title=ORG_LC_comments&oldid=3122 is ORG LC Comments as of right now.

15:27:42 <sandro> PhilA2: What about Dom's old comments tracker?

Phil Archer: What about Dom's old comments tracker?

15:27:45 <sandro> sandro: Not sure.

Sandro Hawke: Not sure.

15:27:55 <sandro> PhilA2: I'll take a look at how much pain would be involved

Phil Archer: I'll take a look at how much pain would be involved

15:28:01 <sandro> action-65?

ACTION-65?

15:28:01 <trackbot> ACTION-65 -- Dave Reynolds to update rdfs:seeAlso links on org ontology -- due 2012-04-30 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-65 -- Dave Reynolds to update rdfs:seeAlso links on org ontology -- due 2012-04-30 -- OPEN

15:28:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/65

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/65

15:28:03 <PhilA2> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/65

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/65

15:29:08 <sandro> DaveReynolds: I'll take a look next year

Dave Reynolds: I'll take a look next year

15:29:17 <PhilA2> close ACTION-78

Phil Archer: close ACTION-78

15:29:17 <trackbot> ACTION-78 Include all updates and distribute next version of ORG vocabulary by next Thursday's meeting (4th Oct) closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-78 Include all updates and distribute next version of ORG vocabulary by next Thursday's meeting (4th Oct) closed

15:29:46 <PhilA2> close ACTION-79

Phil Archer: close ACTION-79

15:29:46 <trackbot> ACTION-79 And bartvanLeeuwen to review the final version of the ORG vocabulary for content and typo errors before the document is released as LC closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-79 And bartvanLeeuwen to review the final version of the ORG vocabulary for content and typo errors before the document is released as LC closed

15:30:15 <sandro> PhilA2: Anything the rest of the group can do on this right now?

Phil Archer: Anything the rest of the group can do on this right now?

15:30:44 <sandro> DaveReynolds: If anyone has a reasoned argument about issue-50 and issue-51, put it on email

Dave Reynolds: If anyone has a reasoned argument about ISSUE-50 and ISSUE-51, put it on email

15:31:40 <sandro> PhilA2: I've been looking at some of this stuff, and it's weird.    Different vocabs interact in complex ways, based on how people think these things are used.

Phil Archer: I've been looking at some of this stuff, and it's weird. Different vocabs interact in complex ways, based on how people think these things are used.

15:31:52 <jpalmeida> So, let's record it as a bug

Joao Almeida: So, let's record it as a bug

15:31:55 <jpalmeida> known bug...

Joao Almeida: known bug...

15:32:07 <jpalmeida> if we don't want to address it.

Joao Almeida: if we don't want to address it.

15:32:17 <sandro> sandro: should we talk about this issue-50 now, or move on...?

Sandro Hawke: should we talk about this ISSUE-50 now, or move on...?

15:32:41 <jpalmeida> we should probably do this on the mailing list

Joao Almeida: we should probably do this on the mailing list

15:33:40 <sandro> jpalmeida: What Phil just said -- there will be minor problems we may have to tollerate (eg gender of Org) -- that could be the case -- a problem with foaf:Agent -- and we might tolerate that because it's an optional property.     But then we should at least flag this.

Joao Almeida: What Phil just said -- there will be minor problems we may have to tollerate (eg gender of Org) -- that could be the case -- a problem with foaf:Agent -- and we might tolerate that because it's an optional property. But then we should at least flag this.

15:33:45 <sandro> q+

q+

15:33:58 <sandro> jpalmeida: but we could do this on the mailing list

Joao Almeida: but we could do this on the mailing list

15:34:04 <PhilA2> ack sandro

Phil Archer: ack sandro

15:34:13 <PhilA2> It's sometimes faster to deal with on the phone

Phil Archer: It's sometimes faster to deal with on the phone

15:34:23 <gatemezi> Definition of a gender in FOAF

Ghislain Atemezing: Definition of a gender in FOAF

15:34:25 <gatemezi> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_gender

Ghislain Atemezing: http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_gender

15:34:38 <gatemezi> It seems to me to keep it like that

Ghislain Atemezing: It seems to me to keep it like that

15:34:41 <PhilA2> sandro: It seems to me that this is a bug in FOAF. We can't have a normative dependency on FOAF?

Sandro Hawke: It seems to me that this is a bug in FOAF. We can't have a normative dependency on FOAF? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:34:55 <PhilA2> jpalmeida: But we say it's a subclass of FOAF so we're saying something about FOAF

Joao Almeida: But we say it's a subclass of FOAF so we're saying something about FOAF [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:35:11 <jpalmeida> what's the difference?

Joao Almeida: what's the difference?

15:35:18 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: We don't import FOAF, we just reference it. We're not making the ontological references

Dave Reynolds: We don't import FOAF, we just reference it. We're not making the ontological references [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:35:19 <sandro> DaveReynolds: We don't import foaf, we only references it.   We're NOT making those ontological commitments.

Dave Reynolds: We don't import foaf, we only references it. We're NOT making those ontological commitments.

15:35:30 <PhilA2> q+

Phil Archer: q+

15:35:46 <PhilA2> sandro: If FOAF changes or goes away tomorrow, there's nothing we can do. That has to not be our problem

Sandro Hawke: If FOAF changes or goes away tomorrow, there's nothing we can do. That has to not be our problem [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:36:07 <PhilA2> sandro: We have to just say Org is what it is and everything else is just commnet

Sandro Hawke: We have to just say Org is what it is and everything else is just commnet [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:36:19 <PhilA2> sandro: Org has otbe more stable than FOAF

Sandro Hawke: Org has otbe more stable than FOAF [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:36:55 <PhilA2> jpalmeida: Stating that something is a subclass surely implies that we should make comment on the sematics of FOAF

Joao Almeida: Stating that something is a subclass surely implies that we should make comment on the sematics of FOAF [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:37:11 <PhilA2> sandro: That can't be part of the spec, it can be non-normative text

Sandro Hawke: That can't be part of the spec, it can be non-normative text [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:37:57 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: I don't agree there's a bug in FOAF, but... we don't import FOAF. So if a consumer of ORG chose to take on to both FOAF and ORG we've shown them how

Dave Reynolds: I don't agree there's a bug in FOAF, but... we don't import FOAF. So if a consumer of ORG chose to take on to both FOAF and ORG we've shown them how [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:38:03 <sandro> DaveReynolds: If some consumer of org takes on org and foaf, we've told them how to relate them.

Dave Reynolds: If some consumer of org takes on org and foaf, we've told them how to relate them.

15:38:07 <PhilA2> .. if they don't our assertions won't be interesting to them

Phil Archer: .. if they don't our assertions won't be interesting to them

15:38:16 <sandro> q?

q?

15:38:27 <PhilA2> q-

Phil Archer: q-

15:38:56 <PhilA2> sandro: Is the sub class relationship in the human readable specs?

Sandro Hawke: Is the sub class relationship in the human readable specs? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:39:32 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: I'm not sure how you can have an ontoligy that refers to another and not be dependent on it

Dave Reynolds: I'm not sure how you can have an ontoligy that refers to another and not be dependent on it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:39:34 <PhilA2> q+

Phil Archer: q+

15:39:39 <PhilA2> q-

Phil Archer: q-

15:40:01 <jpalmeida> subClass is not "any" relation

Joao Almeida: subClass is not "any" relation

15:40:51 <sandro> PhilA2: The idea that we can't refer to another vocab outside w3c, that doesn't really fly.

Phil Archer: The idea that we can't refer to another vocab outside w3c, that doesn't really fly.

15:40:56 <jpalmeida> it would certainly be too extreme

Joao Almeida: it would certainly be too extreme

15:41:15 <sandro> PhilA2: Is it normative that we say subclass of foaf?

Phil Archer: Is it normative that we say subclass of foaf?

15:42:31 <gatemezi> @Sandro: Could it be possible to transfer a vocab, like foaf to W3C space? what could it implies?

Ghislain Atemezing: @Sandro: Could it be possible to transfer a vocab, like foaf to W3C space? what could it implies?

15:42:36 <sandro> DaveReynolds: We're not importing foaf.   We're making one normative assertion, subclass of foaf.

Dave Reynolds: We're not importing foaf. We're making one normative assertion, subclass of foaf.

15:42:51 <sandro> gatemezi, it's possible, but foaf (Dan Brickley) is not willing.

gatemezi, it's possible, but foaf (Dan Brickley) is not willing.

15:43:55 <jpalmeida> version

Joao Almeida: version

15:44:21 <PhilA2> sandro: Imagine a change to the FOAF definition of foaf:Agent that affected ORG semantics badly?

Sandro Hawke: Imagine a change to the FOAF definition of foaf:Agent that affected ORG semantics badly? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:44:31 <jpalmeida> it's not a question of version only, because I see problems in the current version (gender bug)

Joao Almeida: it's not a question of version only, because I see problems in the current version (gender bug)

15:44:32 <gatemezi> In the spec, they said this for "gender" : ..However there are kinds of Agent to which the concept of gender isn't applicable (eg. a Group)

Ghislain Atemezing: In the spec, they said this for "gender" : ..However there are kinds of Agent to which the concept of gender isn't applicable (eg. a Group)

15:44:48 <gatemezi> It applies to Org:Organization

Ghislain Atemezing: It applies to Org:Organization

15:44:56 <PhilA2> sandro: Either we have to refer to a specific version of FOAF, i.e. today's version, in which case we can't fix the gender bug

Sandro Hawke: Either we have to refer to a specific version of FOAF, i.e. today's version, in which case we can't fix the gender bug [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

15:45:40 <DaveReynolds> The notion of gender in foaf is very open, it's applicability to non-person agents is not a bug.

Dave Reynolds: The notion of gender in foaf is very open, it's applicability to non-person agents is not a bug.

15:45:47 <jpalmeida> using the best practice on this is important, and could be a contribution of this group

Joao Almeida: using the best practice on this is important, and could be a contribution of this group

15:46:00 <sandro> PhilA2: This has implications beyond ORG of course.     Sandro and I need to look into this.

Phil Archer: This has implications beyond ORG of course. Sandro and I need to look into this.

15:46:03 <gatemezi> +1 to DaveReynolds point about gender

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to DaveReynolds point about gender

15:46:12 <sandro> Zakim, who is on the call?

Zakim, who is on the call?

15:46:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see PhilA2, agipap, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, jmynarz, DaveReynolds, jpalmeida, GofranShu (muted), +352.6.2.1.1.9.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see PhilA2, agipap, gatemezi (muted), Sandro, jmynarz, DaveReynolds, jpalmeida, GofranShu (muted), +352.6.2.1.1.9.aabb

15:46:22 <PhilA2> topic: RegOrg Vocab

2. RegOrg Vocab

Summary: Agis expects to have a new draft done in the next few days, before the next meeting, which may address all the current comments.

<sandro> Summary: Agis expects to have a new draft done in the next few days, before the next meeting, which may address all the current comments.
15:46:25 <PhilA2> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html

Phil Archer: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html

15:46:37 <sandro> PhilA2: agipap can you talk thought regorg recent work?

Phil Archer: agipap can you talk thought regorg recent work?

15:46:48 <sandro> agipap: I tried to refine the UML diagram

Agis Papantoniou: I tried to refine the UML diagram

15:47:07 <sandro> .. screen shot is in the ED now.

.. screen shot is in the ED now.

15:47:08 <danbri> [for related discussion re open-valued gender field in contact formats, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-contacts-coord/2010JulSep/0017.html and nearby]

Dan Brickley: [for related discussion re open-valued gender field in contact formats, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-contacts-coord/2010JulSep/0017.html and nearby]

15:47:13 <sandro> .. also added some usage examples

.. also added some usage examples

15:47:50 <sandro> .. modeled some greek ministries

.. modeled some greek ministries

15:48:58 <gatemezi> re RegOrg : seems the UML diagram very small to be easily readable..

Ghislain Atemezing: re RegOrg : seems the UML diagram very small to be easily readable..

15:49:00 <sandro> .. my aim is to have by next call (1 wk) the spec ready for FPWD

.. my aim is to have by next call (1 wk) the spec ready for FPWD

15:49:43 <sandro> oh, is "regorg" turning into "rov" ?

oh, is "regorg" turning into "rov" ?

<sandro> Topic: ISSUE-45 (organization address)

3. ISSUE-45 (organization address)

Summary: org and regorg use vcard. vcard is incompatible with INSPIRE. uh oh.

<sandro> Summary: org and regorg use vcard.   vcard is incompatible with INSPIRE.  uh oh.
15:49:58 <sandro> PhilA2: What about the Registered Address issue?

Phil Archer: What about the Registered Address issue?

15:50:00 <sandro> issue-45?

ISSUE-45?

15:50:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-45 -- Align treatment of registered addresses between Org and RegOrg -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-45 -- Align treatment of registered addresses between Org and RegOrg -- raised

15:50:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/45

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/45

15:50:18 <sandro> PhilA2: "registered site" and then "address"

Phil Archer: "registered site" and then "address"

15:50:31 <sandro> DaveReynolds: I think it's with vcard.

Dave Reynolds: I think it's with vcard.

15:51:12 <sandro> PhilA2: vcard is not compliant with INSPIRE, I think.     So, it looks to me like Public Sector Information in the EU should not use vcard

Phil Archer: vcard is not compliant with INSPIRE, I think. So, it looks to me like Public Sector Information in the EU should not use vcard

15:52:18 <sandro> PhilA2: vcard has one field for street address  "17 Foo St", but in INSPIRE has two separate fields.    Easy to go from INSPIRE to VCARD but not the other way around.

Phil Archer: vcard has one field for street address "17 Foo St", but in INSPIRE has two separate fields. Easy to go from INSPIRE to VCARD but not the other way around.

15:52:41 <sandro> sandro: any way around that?

Sandro Hawke: any way around that?

15:52:53 <sandro> DaveReynolds: Maybe another vcard: property

Dave Reynolds: Maybe another vcard: property

15:53:19 <sandro> PhilA2: in 30 mins I'm speaking to the relevant bits of the EC

Phil Archer: in 30 mins I'm speaking to the relevant bits of the EC

15:53:44 <sandro> PhilA2: They should be looking at this soon, and give us feedback.

Phil Archer: They should be looking at this soon, and give us feedback.

15:54:08 <jpalmeida> +1 to PhilA2

Joao Almeida: +1 to PhilA2

15:54:12 <sandro> DaveReynolds: We don't want to tie things up to much.

Dave Reynolds: We don't want to tie things up to much.

15:54:50 <sandro> PhilA2: personally, I don't like that org requires vcard.   I'd rather loosen it; maybe our own Address class of which vcard is a subclass

Phil Archer: personally, I don't like that org requires vcard. I'd rather loosen it; maybe our own Address class of which vcard is a subclass

15:55:12 <sandro> DaveReynolds: That would need an LC2, but seems like it might be good enough.

Dave Reynolds: That would need an LC2, but seems like it might be good enough.

15:55:35 <sandro> DaveReynolds: There might be an interop issue -- if people use non-vcard addresses.

Dave Reynolds: There might be an interop issue -- if people use non-vcard addresses.

15:55:46 <jpalmeida> siteAddress is optional1

Joao Almeida: siteAddress is optional1

15:55:54 <sandro> sandro: So this change would break consumers that we assuming they'd find vcard there.

Sandro Hawke: So this change would break consumers that we assuming they'd find vcard there.

15:56:21 <sandro> PhilA2: Maybe also a superpropty of address, so that existing stuff wouldn't change.

Phil Archer: Maybe also a superpropty of address, so that existing stuff wouldn't change.

15:56:31 <jpalmeida> good idea

Joao Almeida: good idea

15:56:54 <sandro> agipap: maybe core location vocabulary will turn into a W3C spec?

Agis Papantoniou: maybe core location vocabulary will turn into a W3C spec?

15:57:14 <sandro> PhilA2: It's in an W3C Community Group now

Phil Archer: It's in an W3C Community Group now

15:58:03 <sandro> PhilA2: This group (GLD) could optionally do it.    But except for gatemezi we don't have active geo people.

Phil Archer: This group (GLD) could optionally do it. But except for gatemezi we don't have active geo people.

15:58:36 <sandro> PhilA2: JRC trying to figure out how to make INSPIRE play better with Linked Data

Phil Archer: JRC trying to figure out how to make INSPIRE play better with Linked Data

15:58:48 <gatemezi> +10 to PhilA2 comment

Ghislain Atemezing: +10 to PhilA2 comment

15:58:54 <sandro> PhilA2: It's a tall order, though.

Phil Archer: It's a tall order, though.

16:00:01 <sandro> agipap: There are some raised issues on regorg, which will be addressed in the next version, I'm doing in the next couple of days.  The new document will, I think, provide solutions.

Agis Papantoniou: There are some raised issues on regorg, which will be addressed in the next version, I'm doing in the next couple of days. The new document will, I think, provide solutions.

16:00:21 <jpalmeida> thx

Joao Almeida: thx

16:00:25 <sandro> ADJOURN

ADJOURN

16:00:26 <DaveReynolds> Bye all, have a good Christmas/New Year

Dave Reynolds: Bye all, have a good Christmas/New Year

16:00:28 <Zakim> -jmynarz

Zakim IRC Bot: -jmynarz

16:00:28 <sandro> thanks PhilA2 !

thanks PhilA2 !

16:00:29 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds

16:00:30 <Zakim> - +352.6.2.1.1.9.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +352.6.2.1.1.9.aabb

16:00:31 <Zakim> -agipap

Zakim IRC Bot: -agipap

16:00:33 <Zakim> -GofranShu

Zakim IRC Bot: -GofranShu

16:00:34 <Zakim> -PhilA2

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA2

16:00:36 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:00:40 <sandro> happy december, DaveReynolds !

happy december, DaveReynolds !

16:00:45 <Zakim> -jpalmeida

Zakim IRC Bot: -jpalmeida

16:02:05 <sandro> RRSAgent, make logs public

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